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Published - Thursday, August 21, 2008

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Park and rec committee eyes adding citizen members

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The city of Viroqua’s Park and Recreation Committee is forwarding a proposal to the city council that would pursue allowing citizens to serve on the committee.

A proposal to expand the park and recreation committee to include five citizen members was brought to last week's park and rec meeting by Viroqua resident Brian Wickert who asked that the committee be expanded and that the committee hold regularly scheduled meetings.

"Your park and recreation department is the most visible department out in the community," Wickert said. "So, to me this is one of the places you really want to have citizens come in."

Wickert said he first researched the issue last winter. Wickert said he did some research on a number of park and recreation departments in the surrounding communities, and he found that nine of the 11 communities he talked to around Viroqua have citizen committees that help run the department.

Wickert said according to city ordinance, there is supposed to be citizen members on the park and recreation committee and there currently is not. Park and recreation committee chairman Roger Hatlem addressed why there are not regular meetings of the park and recreation committee.

"We do have regular meetings scheduled, but Dan (Stalsberg, the park and rec director) and I discuss things and sometimes we decide not to have them because there is nothing to discuss," Hatlem said. "It costs the city 'X' number of dollars to have a meeting because the people on the committee get paid. So, we don't want to have meetings..."

Committee member and Alderman Gary Krause said he is also a citizen, even if he is on the council, as are the other committee members.

"We have as much interest in this community as anyone does," Krause said. "So, why does adding two more people, or five more people, or 10 more people, other than making it tougher to make a decision, what does that add to the mix?"

Wickert said the feedback he got from the other communities was that the citizen involvement is essential to getting things done. Wickert said the city of Mauston has eliminated the city council members on their committee all together. Wickert said the told him the citizen involvement creates a sense of community.

"The energy from our citizens -- we need to bring that to the table," Wickert said. "All of a sudden you have five or 10 more people helping make decisions."

Alderman Terry Noble said he would like to see citizens on the park and recreation committee because there are so many different programs and the more citizens on the committee the more feedback that can be heard on all the various programs.

"I would like to see five citizen members among all those various groups," Noble said.

Stalsberg said there are seven traveling baseball teams and five softball teams and it will be difficult to represent every program.

"The problem we have is that we have expanded the programs to include so many kids and so many families that you can't schedule and please everybody," Hatlem said. "You have so many schedules that you can't please everyone."

Viroqua City Administrator Jeff Gohlke said he would have to look into whether or not the expansion would be allowed under state statute.

"I am not sure you can make citizens of members per say of a council committee," Gohlke said.

Gohlke said in order to make citizens voting members the city may have to make the citizens advisory or recreate the old board of park commissioners and have the council committee give up their power.

Noble said he would prefer to go back to an arrangement that allow citizens and council members to have a vote. The motion to take that recommendation to the city council passed unanimously.

Wickert asked that a subcommittee work on the legality of an expanded committee before it gets to council level.
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the truth is out there wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:27 PM:

" In reference to "annoyed". That is a typical response to anything. No ideas on how to make it better just a blanket comment that should not even be posted. I bet mine will not be posted but here is the reason this one was. It is obvious that Terry Noble does not like the park and rec dept. in Viroqua. Also it has always been obvious that Tim Hundt will slant any story to make any point Noble is making look better. Like I said no one will probably read this but keep in mind.........the truth is out there, it has always been there.......You just have to want to see it! "

annoyed wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:40 PM:

" The park and rec in Viroqua is one of the poorest run organizations I have seen, something needs to change. "

the truth is out there wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:12 PM:

" I do not need anyone being my "voice" on the committee. If i have a problem or praise for that or any department I will attend the council meeting or committee meeting and express that concern or praise. There are enough people who say they are the voice of and for the people. Meetings are open and people can attend and be the voice of the people! "

Not about number of cooks in the kitchen wrote on Aug 24, 2008 9:07 PM:

" After reading the article and comments made by readers, I can't help but point out some realities of families who participate in Viroqua Park & Rec activites. Nice a guy as he is, our Park & Rec director is not terribly organized or responsive to inquiries by the public. Information is regularly inaccurate or inaccessible to those that need it. He doesn't seem to return phone calls or be very pro-active in reaching out to folks either. Probably people would like to see a little change in this and that's why they suggested being a part of the committee. It's comical to me that the one time community people could voice their opinions or show up to discuss Park & Rec (the committee meetings) are devalued by those in charge that they are cancelled. I understand it's to save money, but that's a whole nother issue... are they paid extra for each committee meeting they attend?? Doesn't this just fall under the job expectation when elected to such an office? I'm thinking that the inadequacies in our Park & Rec department are why people have requested that 5 community members be a part of the committee. Why is that such a bad and scary thing? They don't have to have a "vote" like board members... they could certainly volunteer their time... but they could act as a voice for those of us who participate in the activities. Maybe they could just be notified of when meetings will be held or cancelled. I'd like to thank the community members (who are not elected & paid for their time) that are willing to give their own time to make our Park & Rec even better. Thanks! "

Agree with Gary wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:31 PM:

" I agree with Gary Krause. Why add 5 more opinions to the table and make it that much more difficult to get anything done. We hear of counties and cities trying to reduce the number of board members and yet we're going to expand this committee? "

Confused wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:35 PM:

" "Wickert said according to city ordinance, there is supposed to be citizen members on the park and recreation committee and there currently is not."

"I am not sure you can make citizens of members per say of a council committee," Gohlke said.

So we have an ordinance that is not being followed and may be against state statutes?

And all the other communities that have citizen members are operating in violation of state statutes as well?

Oh and by the way, it is possible that some citizen members in other communities are volunteers, so no additional cost. "

clueless wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:28 PM:

" There are citizen members already...they're called aldermen "

the truth is out there wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:28 PM:

" Great lets ad some more wheels to spin. I think there is enough time spent on this department without adding more people to help spend more money. I know first hand from coaching the more parents involved the more trouble it causes. As parents we can help with coaching and fund raising but is is the elected officials job to run the the cities business. And as far as that goes I think the public is more than welcome to attend any council or committee meeting and express there ideas or concerns. With two City Administrators I think we have enough hands on people involved. "


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