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Published - Wednesday, July 16, 2008

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Marijuana’s tangled roots run through society

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Marijuana, known as "pot" or "weed" among other names, is a Schedule 1 narcotic according to the Controlled Substances Act. It has a long history of use and it’s place in society remains largely unchanged in the last 30 years -- although its manufacture, distribution and price have changed. This marijuana was confiscated in a Viroqua Police Department search several weeks ago. (Matt Johnson photo)
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Fireworks glowed in the sky on a beautiful Fourth of July weekend evening at a gathering of friends in the hills and valleys of the Driftless Region.

People sat in lawn chairs talking. Some drank beer or mixed drinks -- some water or soda. There was plenty of food. Children played and roasted marshmallows.

On occasion, a small group of adults, young and old, would move away from others at the campfire and stand in a circle under a tree. A marijuana joint was lit, passed from person-to-person and finished. Then the people went back to the party.



Marijuana taboo



Marijuana has been an illegal drug in the United States since the “1937 Marihuana Tax Act” was passed, which made possession or transfer of it illegal. In Wisconsin, there are numerous criminal repercussions for anything from simple possession of marijuana to its distribution.

The recent arrest of a Viroqua man on a charge of manufacturing marijuana has led to public discussion regarding the legal status of marijuana. While not commenting on that case, opinions vary widely on how marijuana should be treated in society.

The criminal status, judicial ramifications and social stigma attached to marijuana have been molded over nearly a century of battles between different interests. Although the United States has spent billions of dollars to eradicate marijuana, it is just about as easy to obtain today as it was when President Ronald Reagan launched America’s “War on Drugs” in 1982.

An annual study done by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration of the federal government in 2007 found that 31 percent of high school seniors surveyed said they had smoked marijuana. The study has shown that marijuana use is falling, but still, about 80 million Americans have smoked marijuana.



What is Marijuana?



Marijuana, known in slang simply as "pot" or "weed," is a psychoactive product of the plant Cannabis sativa.

The herbal form of the drug consists of dried mature flowers, or "buds," and leaves of female plants.

Marijuana can be smoked or ingested in food or drink. Upon using marijuana, people experience distorted perception/vision, euphoric feelings and other effects. Marijuana use is often called "getting high" or “getting stoned.” The University of Massachusetts describes marijuana's peak effect lasting the first two hours of use and fading after about four hours.

Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the most psychoactive property. THC is found in the plant's resin.

Historic records dating back as to 2737 BC show marijuana was used by people for a number of reasons, according to the 2008 Columbia University Encyclopedia.



Marijuana in Vernon County



In the 1940s and 1950s, there was a field of hemp virtually around every country corner in Vernon County.

Wisconsin farmers were encouraged to grow fields of hemp during World War II to provide raw materials for rope. The practice was promoted by the United States government, which had a movie made titled "Hemp for Victory."

Some of these fields still exist.

“Every once in a while we come across a large field of wild hemp,” Vernon County UW-Extension Agent Tim Rehbein said. “It’s commonly referred to as ‘ditch weed’ and it’s very low in THC."

In fact, just 15 years ago, the idea of growing hemp in Vernon County was briefly considered as an alternate crop to tobacco. Rehbein said the idea was short-lived as the federal government wouldn’t change industrial hemp’s definition, keeping it classified the same way as high-yield marijuana, which is a Schedule 1 drug, similar to that of LSD and heroin, according to the Controlled Substances Act.

“The difference is you have to look at industrial hemp as being similar to non-alcoholic beer to the user,” Rehbein said. “The THC content is so low in industrial hemp that you can’t consume enough of it to get ‘high.’ It would be like trying to drink non-alcoholic beer, which has just a trace of alcohol, to get intoxicated."

Rehbein said those growing illegal marijuana do not want to grow it near wild hemp, because cross-pollination leads to lower yields of THC.

Vernon County’s ridges and valleys provide an almost ideal landscape for growing illegal marijuana, Vernon County Sheriff Gene Cary said.

“Our terrain -- woods, large agricultural operations -- all give someone the ability to grow marijuana easier than if they lived in a more populated area,” Cary said. “We have a lot of public area, such as the Kickapoo Valley Reserve and county parks. In the past, people used to grow marijuana in these areas because there was no property owner and no person to trace the marijuana back to.”

However, as times changed, so has the manufacture of marijuana and its distribution. Cary said more indoor marijuana growing operations exist than ever before and his department has uncovered some of the most elaborate in the state.

“We’ve had a lot of seizures of marijuana, have confiscated thousands and thousands of dollars in cash and have confiscated hundreds of thousands of dollars in property and vehicles all related to the drug trade,” Cary said. “Today we don’t have so many people growing it, but we have people, who know some people, who know some people, from who they can get their nickel or dime bag of marijuana.”



Marijuana and law enforcement



A car with six people in it was pulled over in Viroqua last Thursday night by an officer of the Viroqua Police Department.

The department’s drug-search dog, or K-9 officer, “Lil’ Bud,” searched the car and indicated the vehicle contained drugs. A further search led an officer to uncover approximately 15 grams, or more than ½ ounce, of marijuana.

Viroqua Police Chief Mark Rahr said his department averages about one marijuana arrest per week on any of a litany of charges from possession of marijuana paraphernalia to distribution of marijuana. He said that “Lil’ Bud’s” presence on the force in the last year has led to an increase in marijuana arrests.

Most of the charges are citations for possession of marijuana or marijuana paraphernalia.

“We know there’s marijuana use in the community,” Rahr said. “It’s out there. We have arrested people for driving while intoxicated, tested their blood, and found they were under the influence of THC. Impaired driving is a problem.”

Both Rahr and Cary said that it’s rare when any suspect openly says that they’re under the influence of a drug.

“I can’t think of one time when we’ve had someone definitively say,'Yes, I was high on marijuana when I committed that crime,'” Rahr said.

However, both have seen circumstances when marijuana use has been a factor in crimes. Cary said the Vernon County Jail houses inmates from other counties who were caught in the drug trade dealing or distributing drugs from Chicago to Minneapolis. He said drug use was a factor in getting them incarcerated. Rahr said his department has arrested people under the influence of marijuana during drug-related offenses. He also believes marijuana use may have been a factor in violent crimes, such as armed robbery.

Cary said he’s seen many changes in marijuana culture.

In the late 1960s, there was a tremendous surge in the use of the marijuana and it was used more openly. In the next two decades, use became more private, but more of it was planted in public places and distributed locally for sale. In the 1990s to today, supply has become an "underground" operation and sophisticated.

“I don’t know if there’s been a peak of marijuana use in my career,” Cary said. “What we’ve seen is there has been an increase in the amount of arrests for other drugs, such as cocaine and Ecstasy, which we didn’t have before.

Marijuana is a gateway to finding harder drugs, Cary said.

“Everybody who smokes marijuana feels comfortable around other people who smoke dope,” Cary said. “They talk to each other and it’s a way to get them in touch with getting other drugs.”

Cary and Rahr both said it’s not their job to debate the legality of marijuana.

“We enforce the law and marijuana is illegal, so we’re going to arrest people who grow it and use it,” Cary said. “…And as long as the state of Wisconsin says it’s that way, that’s the way it’s going to be.”

Cary said that one of the most difficult issues law officers encounter when dealing with enforcing marijuana laws is that people don’t consider it harmful.

“What’s frustrating is that kids hear there’s nothing wrong with smoking marijuana,” Cary said. “There is something wrong with smoking marijuana. It’s illegal.”



Marijuana and the judicial system



The price of scrap metal is currently at a historic high level. Vernon County District Attorney Tim Gaskell said he’s dealing with more theft and burglary cases regarding scrap metal than ever before in his six years as a prosecutor.

“Marijuana specifically plays a bigger role in these cases,” Gaskell said, because those stealing the metal are doing it to get money to purchase marijuana and other drugs.

Aside from marijuana driving thefts and burglaries, Gaskell said his office’s dealings with marijuana cases have basically remained steady.

Not counting marijuana cases that were handled under local ordinances, such as those for possession of paraphernalia, the Vernon County District Attorney’s office prosecuted 10 crimes related to marijuana in 2006 and 14 crimes related to marijuana in 2007.

Gaskell said the amount of work he puts into the average marijuana case isn’t excessive, because the cases, by their nature, are usually easy to prosecute.

“We’re dealing with good arrests where the defendant was found with paraphernalia on them or they were in possession of marijuana,” Gaskell said. “Unless it’s a larger investigation where a lot of time went into it, and larger amounts are found, it’s not difficult.”

Wisconsin state law classifies first-time possession of marijuana or marijuana paraphernalia as misdemeanor crimes punishable by county jail time and fines. Subsequent arrests for marijuana possession or any charges related to manufacturing or distributing marijuana are felonies punishable with state prison sentences and fines.

Gaskell said the typical marijuana arrest in Vernon County results in a paraphernalia or possession charge stemming from a traffic stop.

“Then there are the cases where officers go to investigate a domestic (dispute) and they go in the house and find paraphernalia,” Gaskell said. “That leads to questioning and then they find a bag of dope.”

Gaskell said in regard to domestic abuse calls “alcohol plays a much bigger factor” in initiating them.

Vernon County Circuit Court Judge Michael Rosborough said there are fewer cases of marijuana manufacturing in Vernon County than there were when he first took the bench 22 years ago.

“We almost used to gear up in the fall for law enforcement coming in with their investigations and requests for search warrants,” Rosborough said. “…That wasn’t a huge part of the case load, but (its decline) is noteworthy.”

Rosborough echoed the comments of those who are in law enforcement, saying marijuana’s production today has become more sophisticated. He said that is due to law enforcement agencies effectively finding outdoor marijuana growing operations.

Any use of marijuana should be referred to as “abuse,” Rosborough said, because using marijuana is illegal.

Investigations into marijuana growing operations, sometimes lasting months or years, don’t always end with those on the top tier of the operation being prosecuted, Rosborough said. Instead, those involved in distribution may be the bulk of those prosecuted.

Rosborough said forming an opinion on how marijuana abuse itself leads to other criminal activity is difficult.

“Are there a substantial number of cases where marijuana use is a factor in someone’s criminality? I don’t think so,” Rosborough said. “I think it’s a symptom of other things going on in the lives of people.”



Marijuana incarceration and costs



As of last Friday, Wisconsin had 22,829 adults in state prisons, John Dipko, of the Wisconsin Department of Corrections said. The cost to house an inmate was $27,300 per year in 2007, according to the DOC.

Not all inmates in the prison population today will be there for the entire span of any given year. With that understood, incarcerating all of the adults currently in prison for an entire year would cost $623 million.

The state doesn’t exactly have information readily available saying how many of its adult prisoners are incarcerated on marijuana charges. This is because the inmate might have other charges in addition to marijuana charges, Dipko said.

According to the Wisconsin Sentencing Commission’s semi-annual report from March 2007 titled “Sentencing in Wisconsin: Drug Trafficking,” there were more than 2,200 Class I (less than 200 grams of marijuana) and 465 Class H (between 200-1,000 grams of marijuana) felony convictions between January 2003 and October of 2006. It’s difficult to pin down how many more severe felony convictions (Class E-G) during that time were made for marijuana. That’s because the report compiles those cases with felony cases related to other drugs in the same felony class. The total number of drug related cases for those convicted of felonies in Classes E-G in the time period considered in the report was 5,170.

On a national level, in 2005, Jon Gettman, leader of the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis, estimated that national criminal justice expenditures for enforcing marijuana laws is $7.6 billion per year. That’s broken down into $3.7 billion being allocated to police, $853 million to the courts, and $3.1 billion to corrections. Gettman’s estimates were included in a study done for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML).

A report commissioned by Taxpayers for Common Sense and written by visiting Harvard University economist Dr. Jeffrey Miron found that efforts to reduce marijuana use and supply cost federal taxpayers more than $3.67 billion in in 2004.



A marijuana user's story



"Jack," a 42-year-old professional with master’s degree, has been a daily marijuana user for the past 20 years.

He has lived a good deal of his adult life in the Driftless Region of Wisconsin, but now lives in a nearby metropolitan area. He's in a long-term relationship, but has no children.

"I don't think (marijuana) has had an affect on my life," he said speaking on the condition of anonymity. "The biggest crime you hear about is people who smoke pot are lazy or unmotivated. I don't consider myself either of those things.

"I've killed a lot of hours just hanging out with people smoking, but that's the nature of the beast," he said. "It's a social phenomenon. I've found that most smokers are outgoing people who enjoy the company of others."

Jack said he didn't start smoking marijuana until his sophomore year at a small Wisconsin college. He smoked with friends living in the dorms. Since starting he's never gone more than two months without marijuana.

Only once did he have a brush with the law due to marijuana. In the mid-1990s, he drove a man to Madison to buy some marijuana and they were pulled over for speeding. The officer could smell marijuana in the car. Jack was driving. His friend had two ¼-ounce bags of marijuana and was arrested and later fined. Jack was told not to drive, but was free to go.

Jack has lived in a number of different places and worked in a number of different jobs.

"You put me in any position and in two months I'll know who smokes and where I can buy some safely," he said. "People may have the impression that marijuana is only used by those on the bottom rung of society. I'm telling you that there are users everywhere -- bank administrators, teachers, business people, doctors -- everywhere."

Jack spends about $300 each month on marijuana. He said marijuana is more readily available to him now than ever before. He said he believes his dealer supplies marijuana to eight people or less.

Jack said the only thing that's made him contemplate quitting is the escalating price of marijuana. He said he purchases marijuana for about $120 per ¼ ounce and he smokes about a ½ ounce a month. He usually smokes it in joint form. He said 12 years ago he could buy ¼ ounce of marijuana for $45.

"Frankly, I can't believe I've used it as long as I have," he said. "It's been too easy to get."

He said the trend over the past 20 years is that marijuana is more expensive and more potent.

"That's what the War on Drugs has done," Jack said. "It's more expensive probably because it's more difficult to keep hidden, but because its growth is more controlled it's a lot better than when I started smoking it."

Jack said he's experienced paranoia using marijuana, but has had no other side effects. He said when he's contemplative after smoking marijuana, he often thinks about pot's place in society.

"I think its roots go a lot deeper than we'd care to admit," Jack said. "I think about people like Carl Sagan, who was a world-renowned astronomer, who advised NASA and did a lot for explaining astronomy to the common man.

"People didn't know until after he died that he used marijuana all the time," Jack continued. "Here's one of the most brilliant astronomers of our day and he's also one of the biggest pot smokers around. By its nature it lends itself to secrecy, but who else is using it? That's the real story. In a lot of ways people have a double life with it."

Jack said he's glad he waited until he was in college to start smoking marijuana.

"People who aren't adults shouldn't smoke marijuana," he said. "I think that's wrong and I wouldn't want children smoking pot. I don't want be be a hypocrite, but people need to have the wisdom and the knowledge to deal with it."

Jack said the legal use of alcohol presents a greater danger to society than marijuana.

"When I smoke marijuana, the only thing that I present a danger to is that Doritos bag on the table," Jack said with a laugh. "When you look at how out-of-control and violent people get while drinking, pot is harmless by comparison."



Medical Marijuana



Gary Storck, 53, Madison, was born with glaucoma. Smoking marijuana decrease-ed the pressure on his eyes and relieved pain he suffered from other health conditions, he said.

Glaucoma is a disease that slowly destroys the optic nerve and causes a buildup of pressure inside the eye. In 1972, Storck began smoking marijuana and discovered at the doctor's office that the pressure inside his eyes had decreased. He smokes marijuana daily and said it's the only thing that helps him normally function.

"If I had to take conventional drugs to treat my health problems I wouldn't be able to coherently talk to you today," Storck said. "I have serious and chronic health conditions and cannabis allows me to manage the symptoms."

Storck currently is serving as the Director of Madison's chapter of NORML. He also is an advocate for medical marijuana through the group, which he co-founded in 2000, called "Is My Medicine Legal Yet."

Storck said that marijuana's classification as an illegal drug has prevented untold numbers of people from being able to use it as medicine.

A University of Mass-achusetts report says that marijuana, or cannabis, can create appetite stimulation for AIDS and cancer patients; nausea control for cancer patients; muscle relaxation for multiple sclerosis patients; pain relief; and reduction of fluid pressure in eyes for glaucoma patients.

"The big white elephant in the room when it comes to marijuana being illegal is that it has medical benefits that are proven," Storck said.

As for using marijuana recreationally, Storck said he supports the United States regulating marijuana using the same model practiced in the Netherlands. That country regulates marijuana, taxes it, and allows for the sale of small quantities of it in coffee houses. People can use it at those places or take it home.

He said that the only problem with marijuana in the United States is that there is a strict prohibition of it.

"In my opinion that's hard to defend," Storck said. "Every time you bust somebody for pot, some of that was going to be used medicinally. Some people growing marijuana are simply providing a service.

"The government knows it's not dangerous and its abuse potential is low...," Storck continued. "Cannabis users are law abiding citizens who choose a different way to unwind after work."

The work done in the 12 states that have decriminalized marijuana or allowed medical marijuana's use has led to additional ways it can be administered, including through vaporization without combustion.

Storck said alcohol is a "scourge" on society and alcohol and tobacco are considerably more harmful to the public at large.



Problems with marijuana



Just last week, Australian researchers released a study saying long-term heavy use of marijuana may cause two important brain structures to shrink.

The study, published in the American Medical Association's journal Archives of General Psychiatry, found that heavy cannabis users, smoking five joints a day for 20 years, earned lower scores than the nonusers in tests trying to recall a list of 15 words.

"These findings challenge the widespread perception of cannabis as having limited or no harmful effects on (the) brain and behavior," said Murat Yucel of ORYGEN Research Center and the University of Melbourne, who led the study.

According to the National Institute of Drug Abuse, Marijuana hinders the user's short-term memory and makes some tasks difficult. With the use of more potent varieties of marijuana, even simple tasks can be difficult.

According to the Drug Free America Foundation, marijuana's most dangerous side effect is that its use heightens the probability that the user will try other drugs.

"Long-term studies of students who use drugs show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana," according to the Drug Free American Foundation. "Not everyone who uses marijuana will move on to other drugs, but using marijuana sometimes lowers inhibitions about drug use and exposes users to a culture that encourages experimentation and use of other drugs. Marijuana users are two to five times more likely to go on to use harder drugs."

There is a difficulty in comparing the benefits of marijuana to its negative effects. This is because there is a considerable amount of information available to counter arguments made by those who are for the legalization or decriminalization of marijuana and those who want it to remain illegal.



Marijuana addiction



There's no question that long-term marijuana abuse can create addiction, a University of Wisconsin, University Health Services report determined in 2005.

The report, co-written by Michael M. Miller, M.D., the Medical Director of the NewStart Alcohol/Drug Treatment Program at Meriter Hospital in Madison, and Brian Glueck of University Health Services, said that marijuana users can build up a tolerance to THC and experience withdrawal symptoms if they stop using it.

"…Withdrawal definitely occurs in some users," according to the report. "The effects of this withdrawal are generally the opposite of the effects of intoxication: anxiety and insomnia instead of relaxation; loss of appetite rather than hunger; excessive salivation instead of dry mouth; and also decreased pulse, irritability, and sometimes tremors."

The report said there is a distinction between marijuana abuse and marijuana addiction.

"Abuse, which involves continued use despite legal, occupational, or academic problems (e.g., recurrent use after an arrest for impaired driving, or after a drug-related work suspension) is more common," according to the report. "Despite being considered less severe than addiction, cannabis abuse nevertheless creates distress for loved ones and other interested parties, and by definition involves an observable downturn in the user's performance of some important life task."

Higher THC content in marijuana creates a more significant risk that a regular user will become an addict, according to the report.

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Onetokeovertheline wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:44 AM:

" There are only 2 types of laws necessary, those that protect us from crimes against persons and crimes against property. The rest are morals period... If you want to enforce your morals on me, then I should have the right to enforce my morals on you. Do you eat meat? What a gross and discusting habit, yes habit, it is a habit, it is bad for your health. And what gives you the right to kill and eat another animal??? If I were in control I would lock up all those who harm any animals. Go find your own morals and leave others alone and maybe I will leave you alone to your own discusting HABITS... "

To four o one pm and eight twenty eight am wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Agreed. Once innocent people are affected, it is your business, my business, and society's business a a whole. Innocent people being affected means there are victims, and laws need to be in place to protect these victims. If someone is driving impaired in any way, they need to be locked up so they are off the streets. I have never argued against drunk driving laws or any other impaired driving laws. If someone is disturbing others, same thing. I have never argued against these laws and I never will. But, as long as people are minding their own business, they need to be left alone. "

It is NOT their right to do so wrote on Jul 26, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Sorry, if I don't find anything in this whole tiresome debate funny. I've been on this earth long enough to see how things have changed. It seems the people who are/have done wrong with ANY illegal substance or acts of violence are the ones with the rights, NOT their victims. Where are THE victims' rights? Yes, before you tell me pot smokers don't have victims, my family has been forever changed by one... if only one family who has experienced for themselves has no importance to you...... read the papers and listen to the news... there ARE many pot "victims".. but you go right on ahead and tell us how pot smokers have the right to do what they want to do... keep promoting this. Whether you smoke pot yourself or not, when you promote it, you're guilty too when things go terribly wrong. Oh.. I forgot... you don't want to admit that pot smokers do any harm. "

To To eleven twenty three am wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:07 PM:

" Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have never used an illegal drug in my life. I think people who use marijuana smell like goats. But, it should be their right to do so. You saying you are going to make phone calls to make sure the marijuana laws are enforced WAS funny. Laugh at yourself a little. You won't explode, I promise. "

To To Selfish wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Your usage of drugs if you're driving or out in public whatsoever IS my business, as well as if you live next to me and you or one of your drug-using buddies loses it and goes ballistic. Don't bother to tell me it doesn't happen on pot. Anyone who can read knows that's a blatant lie.

I don't use any kind of drug EVER and I am never impaired by using alcohol, not ever. I have the right to not want your bad habits to affect me or mine, or any other innocent person for that matter.

My LACK OF drug/alcohol use won't EVER affect another person.... You must be hostile because I hit a nerve.... and you call me selfish. Funny. "

To Eleven twenty three am wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:35 PM:

" You got it. I'm thrilled to know I have your permission. It might surprise you to know that law enforcement would rather hear from law abiding citizens who appreciate what they do then trying to baby sit lawbreakers who cause them problems and hassle and criticize them all because they're just doing their job. I realize your powers of reasoning may have been affected by your illegal drug use. "

To eight forty am wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:23 AM:

" See 4:04pm post. Go ahead and make your little phone calls...I would love to hear some of those(rolls eyes). "

To Selfish wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:21 AM:

" It is you who is being selfish. Yes, any drug usage IN AND OF ITSELF doesn't harm others. Therefore, it should be legal. Once someone makes a decision to harm others or put others at risk by driving(like with alcohol), charge them with a crime. Until then, mind your own business and stop being so selfish. "

Sammy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Pot is against the law. I don't use pot. I am not driving impaired on anything. Where do you people come up with these assumptions? But yet, I am the one whose thinking is trapped in a box. I get it. Follow the status quo or you're not one of us good citizens! Bah humbug.
No irony, plus no sense of humor. "

Selfish Behavior wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:40 AM:

" You could say it doesn't harm others with just about any drug usage. The problem being when people "use" they lose all good judgement. That's the very nature of "using." It impairs your judgement and power of reasoning. Then people make the decisions to drive, commit other crimes, etc. I am going to start writing letters and making phone calls to make sure the marijuana laws are enforced. I didn't realize what a huge problem that we have with marijuana in this community until I started reading some of these posts and how much in denial people are who use it, and how they think they have the right to use no matter who or what they hurt.

It is apparent that there are many people writing in here that don't care if they hurt others, they just want to do what they want to do... similar to a spoiled 2 year old. How selfish can you be? "

To eleven sixteen am wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:06 PM:

" If a law does not harm others and you don't wish to follow it(key being if it doesn't harm others), then you shouldn't have to follow it. It is no one elses business. "

To To Sammy wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:04 PM:

" Think outside your little box. No one is arguing against laws that prohibit driving while impaired, laws prohibiting noise violations in the middle of the night, laws against illegal weapon use, or laws against harming innocent people. Enforce those laws to the fullest! The only thing being argued is that strict, personal use, which doesn't harm others, should not be illegal. "

To Sammy wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Funny, I was thinking the same thing but there is nothing funny about people who continue to say their illegal harmful behavior is not harmful (as far as it being illegal, they make it clear that they only follow the laws that they want to) when the facts prove that it IS harmful. Unfortunately, they are dragging the rest of us into their drug use. They keep whining that they have the right to do this illegal behavior. WE have the right to live our lives without being affected/harmed by drug and alcohol users. That includes not being on the roads with anyone who is impaired in anyway, not living next to those who sell drugs because of people coming and going all hours of the night (So much for the ridiculous argument that pot users only smoke at home and never drive.) GIVE US A BREAK. Some of these people have weapons on them and who wants to be around someone who is impaired carrying a weapon. Bullets and knives can kill innocent neighbors, too. . We also have the right not to work with people who act like idiots at work because of pot (or drug or alcohol) use. Those of us who don't use do NOT WANT to be around those of you who do. "

Sammy wrote on Jul 23, 2008 4:39 PM:

" Apparently, this Forum is an irony-free zone. "

Mike wrote on Jul 23, 2008 2:45 PM:

" the entire law enforcement perspective is skewed. they argue as if there is no such thing as a bad/useless/wasteful law. there's also no logic to the assumption that if one does a certain thing regularly, that's evidence of addiction. the addiction truly occurs when one can't control the circumstances under which they consume. when you consume something and later wish you hadn't, you're probably addicted. if you do something when your better judgment tells you otherwise, you're probably addicted. but not just because you do it regularly. "

to Lisa wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:42 PM:

" I didn't think I needed to clarify as it seems perfectly obvious, but apparently I do. "We" being those who don't use ANY substance that impairs our driving and put ourselves and others at risk and "THEY" being those people that Do and endanger others as well as they themselves, whether we are talking about pot, alcohol, or other drugs. "

kenarl-g wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Good article that brings to light two seperate issues: one, the legalization of marijuana; two, the hemp industry.
We are missing out on a couple of very good resources that can help revitalize the economy locally and nationally if pot were decriminalized and hemp was not confused with marijuana. They may come from the same plant but you either have a good pot plant or a good hemp plant, not both together. Just look up hemp on Wikipedia to see what a hugely beneficial plant hemp is. "

To those addressing Heil and Herman the German wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:57 AM:

" If you look at "Heils" post, he wasn't comparing laws against marijuana to genocide. He was comparing these laws to other victimless crimes that are on the books. Another thing to keep in mind is that in Nazi Germany, everyone didn't all of a sudden wake up one morning to find that the Jews had been rounded up in order to be slaughtered. The Nazi movement started with seemingly harmless and innocuous laws and ordinances passed by the Government simply to control people. When the Government saw people were willing to give up a "little" freedom, they took bigger and bigger steps. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. "

to Sammy wrote on Jul 22, 2008 6:31 AM:

" What a sense of humor. Feeling the need to do an illegal substance every single day for 27 months, let alone 27 years? Yeah, you don't sound anymore addicted than some of the other posters in here. hahaha "

Lisa wrote on Jul 21, 2008 6:41 PM:

" so, "we" get it, but "they" don't? I imagine that some people who smoke pot drive under the influence just like some people (around here, the majority) who drink alcohol drive under that influence. Both should have some consequence or penalty. But making one legal and the other illegal for use, for no logical reason, makes no sense to me. "

addiction wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:43 PM:

" as far as the addiction thing.... i have heard that pot is only mentally addicting, not physically like nicotine. oh well, people still fear it only cause it is illeagal. we have a war going on with kids dying and this is what we spend so much usless energy on????
WEED "

Sammy wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:41 PM:

" Marijuana addiction? What year is this? Have we learned nothing? What a bunch of poppycock! I've smoked pot every day for the last 27 years and I'm not addicted. "

Susan wrote on Jul 21, 2008 2:39 PM:

" Couldn't scrap metal thefts be because people can't pay for what they need most: gas, food, rent, health care? "

To Lisa wrote on Jul 21, 2008 6:19 AM:

" I'm sure people are bringing up driving because it's the first thing (but not the only thing of course) that comes to mind as being dangerous to others when people are impaired using any drug or alcohol. OF COURSE, using any thing that impairs driving is dangerous. OF COURSE, we get it. That's why we bring it up in here, because WE get it, unfortunately, users don't seem to and it's obvious to us that they don't. We bring it up, because THEY NEED to get it.

They seem to be more concerned about rating what substance is worse. It can ALL kill and maim. Again, "we" get it, but they apparently still haven't. Hope it's not too late, when they finally do. "

AntM wrote on Jul 20, 2008 7:23 PM:

" i smoke and drive everyday on the way to and from work...i've never so much as gotten a speeding ticket in 10 years of driving to and from work...your arguments are wrong! "

Lisa wrote on Jul 20, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Why is everyone talking about driving? It's dumb to drive under the influence of anything. It's dumb to eat and drive, talk on the cell phone and drive, and fiddle with the radio and drive. That isn't the point. The point is that we have some substances that many people use (some misuse and others abuse) that are legal and some that are not. I think the discussion is about how we decide which are in which category. It seems to me that many people are saying that marijuana should be in the legal category based on the fact that there is considerable evidence that says it is less harmful than alcohol, which is legally regulated. I don't think that some degree of legalization will lead to an increase in use of marijuana. The same people will keep smoking it and society will continue unchanged. "

Thanks Broadcaster wrote on Jul 20, 2008 1:23 PM:

" Great article on marijuana. "

Pot and cars dont mix wrote on Jul 20, 2008 7:56 AM:

" A survey of nearly 6,000 teen-age drivers demonstrated that those who had driven six or more times a month after smoking marijuana were about two and a half times more likely to have an accident than those who did not. Among those teens who had driven 15 or more times a month after smoking marijuana, the chances of having an accident rose to three times as high. (Addiction Research Foundation. Alcohol, other drugs and driving.) "

Here We Go Again wrote on Jul 20, 2008 7:52 AM:

" Just because something else might be a little worse or a little more widespread does not take the heat off of driving under the influence of pot. Ask anyone who has been injured or had a family member killed because some idiot did just that.

It's almost like saying that cancer is worse than diabetes. They're BOTH bad and they're BOTH harmful. They can BOTH kill.

I wish those of you who are so adamant about your "right" to do something that can potentially hurt yourself and others would put all this effort into getting this drug legal, because apparently you are addicted and don't think you can live your life without it. The very behaviors represented in here says a lot about the drug.

I realize that nothing we say in here will change what you think is your right to smoke pot, no matter how wrong you are. You are too blinded by your addiction, just like others are with other addictions. I guess you've had too many brain cells destroyed to think in a rational way. It's too bad you can't see the real picture before it's too late for you, or even worse, your VICTIMS. "

Typical pothead reaction wrote on Jul 20, 2008 7:34 AM:

" "Dude, NO WAY. People who are high NEVER cause an accident. DUDE, I'm a way better driver when I'm stoned. It never happened. The people drunk, they're the problem! DUDE, DUDE, DUDE... Wanna do some bong hits? I don't have to go to work tomorrow 'cause I got fired for always showing up late. Let's get baked and play video games! Pot never hurt nobody..." "

RUKiddingMe wrote on Jul 20, 2008 1:18 AM:

" to: Drivers high on pot kill people too!

Stingray kills world known wildlife adventurist Steve Irwin with blow to the chest!

Let's go get those bad stingrays! One in a million odds happen every day. "

What a Joke wrote on Jul 19, 2008 11:59 PM:

" In the United States, alcohol related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes. (NTHSA 2006) "

Drivers high on pot kill people too wrote on Jul 19, 2008 2:41 PM:

" Every day somebody high on pot in the U.S. kills somebody while driving under the influence. An Austrailian study in 2006 found that stoned drivers are a huge factor in fatal crashes. And in New York this week, a driver convicted of manslaughter in a crash that killed his uncle was sentenced to seven to 12 years in prison.
Salih Townsley, 30, was sentenced Friday.
Townsley was high on marijuana when he sped on a wet parkway and crashed his car into a tree. His uncle, 43-year-old Steven Stanley, was riding in the back seat.
The 4-year-old daughter of Townsley's girlfriend suffered serious injuries in the crash.
All you'll ever hear from those who smoke dope is, "Pot never hurt anybody." Driving while under the influence of marijuana is a big problem. But, by their nature, potheads won't admit it. They'll just say, "but look at alcohol, Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!" "

To What a Joke wrote on Jul 19, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Although I don't agree with those who willingly break the law by smoking pot, I have to agree with your comments on alcohol. I've lived with the physical results of a teenage driver who thought it was ok to drive when he was drunk. I do not find watching drunks amusing in the least. They are not funny, just pathetic.

What is up with people who lose their jobs because they were drunk and got fired, and they can collect unemployment in this state? That is beyond belief.

What is up with those who have several drunk driving convictions, and they're still out on the roads? Once a persons life is forever change or even lost by some idiot out driving around under the influence, it's way too late. "

What a joke wrote on Jul 19, 2008 7:57 AM:

" I believe alcolhol is the gateway drug. It may be legal, but IMHO, it is the first and most readily available 'drug' to kids.

Take a look at the myspace pages of teens in our area. They pose with pictures of open alcolhol in the background and post quotations about drinking alcolhol.

The teens mimic their loser parents who also have myspace photo's with captions such as "Me drunk again" in photographs taken at various bars.

Remember, children learn what they live.

They grow up with parents who have a 'bar mentality' touting "drugs are bad" while setting a poor example as chronic alcolhol abusers, and you wonder where it all starts?

Right here at home.

If law enforcement really wanted to clean up our county they'd start by enforcing the drunk driving laws and underage drinking parties in these small towns, such as, LaFarge, Viola, Readstown, and Soldiers Grove. The local police don't seem to be doing much about that. "

Years of marijuana wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:40 PM:

" Vernon and Crawford Countys have been the capitol for pot for years. This is the best story I ever read about local pot use. The fact that they even got a credibhle guy to talk about his pot use, which I totally believe, is incredible. Pot is the stuff in everybody's closet that nobodys want to talk about. It's got good and bad. What else is it sposed to say? Pot can be medicine, pot can be good, pot can be bad, but we spend a lot of money fightin pot that we probably could stop doin if we just took a step back, said regulate it, tax the hell out of it, and let people have it. I'd rather have the cops busting the guys selling coke and meth. And teaching kids what all drugs can do. Those are the most important things. And with the Viroqua cops making one bust a weejk. I bet all lawmen would like to see a change too. They ain't got the time to mess with weed. There's more important things to do. "

to Obviously wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:11 PM:

" The same argument could be used with anyone who does ANYTHING illegal or harmful to someone else. Would anyone "totally sane" commit ANY crimes? The man chose to repeatedly and increasingly take a drug (so much for the argument that marijuana isn't progressive or addictive) that impaired his ability to think clearly. As these forums on pot have demonstrated, concerning those who use... "There is none so blind, as he who will not see."

As far as increased spending for mental health programs is concerned, they are already taking out an exorbitant amount for social programs, including those for mental health and substance abuse. You ever ask yourself where that is going and why isn't it doing any good? We don't need more tax-funded babysitting services for those who claim mental illness, or for those who willingly chose to take drugs until they had an addiction problem. In many, many cases, (not always of course, but in a great majority of cases) the people's own actions are what got them where they are. So no, I think they are taking enough of the money that we have worked hard to earn to try and fix what other people broke by their own behavior.

I, for one, am sick to death of people using every conceivable excuse to do whatever they want then claim "mental illness," or they had a bad childhood, etc. There are many, many people who had it tough growing up and are responsible citizens.

My sympathy and compassion goes to innocent victims, not to those who make choices willingly and intentionally that harm themselves and others. "

martha wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:06 AM:

" i think it is a very good drug i like being high off weed so whom ever this may concern this is not a drug to me it is relaxation and it takes ur mind off alot off things that u dont want on ur mind so to all the people who smoke amen cause it was made from god put on this earth for us to smoke so if ur a smoker than thats whats up iiiiiiiii lllllloooovvveee weeeeeeeeeeed ha ha ha and to those who dont smoke that means more 2 the ones that do "

To Tom and Heil you cant equate marijuana laws with genocide wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:27 AM:

" I agree with the earlier poster to Heil, who said that marijuana laws can't be remotely compared to what the Nazi's did, killing more than seven million people... Why do people think marijuana advocates are "way out there?" Simply because they fail to drive home the key arguments that marijuana can be used as medicine and that decriminalization under the Netherland's system would not only save billions of dollars in tax money spent on the criminal justice system, but actually raise money due to taxes collected through marijuana sales. Marijuana advocates need to "weed" out the idiots among them who continually say, "Police are Nazis!," and "Nothing's wrong with weed, Dude! Everybody should toke up every day. The world would be a better place." Use science and common sense and you'll get a lot further. "

Tom Hillgardner wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:05 AM:

" Well, for all of you people who think that means every member of society has march lockstep on this issue or be an immoral and bad citizen, I have two words: civil disobedience.

I do not condemn the police officers making these arrests to enforce these immoral laws that go so far as to proscribe what an adult may choose to do with his own body in the privacy of his own home. But I do hope to persuade them and enlighten them so that they may see that what they are doing is immoral. Remember: In Nazi Germany it was illegal to harbor a Jew. Should not the public have voiced objection to the actions of the Gestapo? And while jailing someone for ten years for growing the wrong crop is not as heinous as genocide, ethics is not a comparative science. For my Christian bretheren, ask yourselves: What would Jesus do? "

Obviously wrote on Jul 18, 2008 6:29 AM:

" the guy had some very big mental health issues as well as his addiction to pot. Do you and your Dad support increasing funding programs for those with mental health problems as well. "

FOLLOW ONLY LAWS YOU WANT TO FOLLOW wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:40 AM:

" Why is it only mj that makes people say these absurd things? MJ laws are flawed, the govt says its wrong so don't listen....

I will park how I want to park, I will speed cause I want to, I will throw my garbage in a road cause I want to, where does it end?

Move out of this country, go to the Netherlands and shut up.

There is a well funded underground movement to legalize MJ in this country. There are not doing it cause they think it's right. They are doing it cause they are selfish. "

Marijuana IS a Destructive Drug wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:21 PM:

" I've posted in here before, and none of the pot-users seem to be able to explain away a real-life experience. My step-dad's brother was stabbed to death coming out of a grocery store. It was right after work, broad daylight, and he was picking up some groceries for his wife. The man who attacked him was on marijuana, marijuana only, no other drugs. This isn't about alcohol, or any other drugs, ONLY pot. He said he wanted to rob him for money to buy more pot.

For all the stupid arguments that people talk about how people are too mellow to commit crimes etc., this is the perfect example of how wrong you can be.

So what do you tell my step-dad? Isolated incident? No big deal? It doesn't happen very often? This was is only brother, who was minding his own business. It's too bad that the people who perpetuate selfish, illegal, harmful behavior aren't the only ones who have to suffer because of it. "

Smokey wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:43 AM:

" Go eat some Cheetoes and shut up! "

mrmkl wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:13 AM:

" "I agree with the sheriff in this story... What's wrong with marijuana? It's illegal"

ok. so its bad and dangerious cus its illegal. and its illegal cus its bad and dangerous.. do you see the issue with this stream of logic? Im not saying people should ignore all laws. but this law in specific, is flawed. "

Marijuana Laws Need to be Enforced wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:27 AM:

" As a taxpayer, I am going to encourage law enforcement to enforce the marijuana laws. The bottom line is that marijuana is illegal. How irresponsible to think you only have to follow the laws that you want to follow. Then to insist that our law enforcement is "Gestapo." They are doing their job, as they should be. As "stoned" as some of you act like in these postings, I'm wondering if you're able to do your job or if you're living off the rest of us because of an "disability" brought on by yourself. I've seen long-term marijuana users who can't even function.

I've said it before, if you hurt my family, friends, or myself; I will see you prosecuted to the full extent of the law, both criminal and civil. We should never allow people to harm others when they knowingly take ANY drug that affects their ability to drive or make rational decisions. It seems that no marijuana user wants to talk about crimes committed during the use and "marketing" of marijuana. All they can say, is how some other drugs are worse. Then they write posts asking people if they ever drink and drive, as if that takes the eyes off of them. It doesn't. Believe it or not, there are many of us who never drink and drive, and never use any type of illegal drug to get through life.

Subterfuge. The very definition describes the way in which grass users handle this issue. An evasive tactic. Trickery. Don't think for one minute that we don't know that you're attempting to use this tact. It's very obvious to those who aren't users. It's not working for you. You're wrong, we know you're wrong and you know it. "

Marijuana is medicine wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:43 PM:

" There's no question that marijuana has its medical benefits and doctors absolutely know it helps patients. Why don't doctors take up the banner of decriminalizing marijuana? Likely because drug hardliners would think less of them. Of course, doctors take an oath, the basis of which is to paraphrase, above all else, help people to the best of their ability. I can't see how someone can look at the facts about marijuana and say it cannot be medicine, but our government does that every day. "

I AM NOT A CROOK wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:08 PM:

" I am forced to use med marijuana to control constant nausea and vomiting from Diabetic Neuropathic Gastroparesis. My Dr has me on 5 mg Marinol. It helps but not as much. Even though Medical Marijuana is illegal in my state I do not accept Government from telling me what my Dr say's works best for my condition (along with his nurse and my pharmacist.) They all tell me to smoke or eat marijuana for chronic nausea and vomiting control. Of course they all said this to me off the record, but TRUTH is TRUTH. Legalize Medical Marijuana now and stop this stupid bickering!!! "

To Heil wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Exactly, laws on the books regarding marijuana can be equated with genocide. When they came to arrest the jaywalker, I did nothing, because I walked on the sidewalk. When they came to arrest the man who didn't use his signal before making a turn, I did nothing, because I always signal. When they fined the man who had the overdue library book, I did nothing, because I returned my books on time. Who will speak for me when my dog takes a dump on the sidewalk, I don't pick it up, and the police fine me? "

You dont have to follow the law but expect to be punished wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:48 PM:

" The law is the law, and if you're not part of the process working to change the law, then you shouldn't complain when you get busted, your dealer sells you some crappy weed or anything else. The point is you don't have to follow the law, but if that's your choice, expect the consequences. You should stand up by joining NORML or working to change the law and you shouldn't bust a cop's chops if he's just enforcing the law. "

Heil wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:36 PM:

" First they came for the 18-20 year old adult drinkers. I said nothing because I was 22 at the time. Then they came for the people who don't use their seatbelt. I said nothing because I always buckle up. Then they came for the pot users. I said nothing because I don't use pot nor do I enjoy smelling like a goat. It just occured to me: Who will be here to speak up when they decide to come get me? "

To I see both sides wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:32 PM:

" My only problem with your post is you are basically saying we should blindly follow a law simply because it is the law. Yes, you do state we can work to change the law, but that while the laws are on the books we must blindly obey. To me, that is a dangerous attitude. How many times have we heard "I was only following orders". That is a cop-out. Sometimes citizens must stand up and exert their individual liberty EVEN IF the Government doesn't do the right thing. "

I see both sides but pot is illegal wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:24 PM:

" I used to smoke pot years ago. I wish it was regulated like in the Netherlands. Maybe then, on occasion, I would still smoke it. With that said, pot is illegal. I agree with the sheriff in this story... What's wrong with marijuana? It's illegal. If you don't like that, join NORML, write your Congressman, work to make it decriminalized. Until it is decriminalized, I totally support law enforcement doing their jobs, because just as Mr. Storck says "some of that's medicine" some weed also goes to kids. I look at "Jack" in this story as being pretty responsible, although it's clear he's driven while stoned. The unresponsible people in this equation are the ones who sell drugs to kids or even parents who smoke pot with their kids. It's not OK to be in your 40s and 50s and be getting kids 20 years old high. Even stoners need ethics. The government should decriminalize it, regulate it, TAX the &^%$ out of it, and let people have their fun. Lil' Bud can keep doing his job finding drugs like cocaine and crystal meth. "

Herman the German wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:09 PM:

" "This is a free country. You are free to do what we tell you to do." Signed, your Government. "


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