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Published - Wednesday, November 28, 2007

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Citizens group probes county board for collusion

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A Milwaukee-based citizen rights group is investigating the Vernon County Board of Supervisors for wrongdoing regarding the county's hog facility moratorium vote in August.

Citizens for Responsible Government has filed a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests with the county to determine if there was any "collusion" on the part of supervisors in their handling of the recent confinement animal operation moratorium and siting ordinance.

Citizens for Responsible Government has its roots in recall elections in Milwaukee. The group was formed originally in 2002 around an effort that successfully removed a number county supervisors and executives for their part in a retirement fund scandal.

According to the CRG website, the group also had a hand in leading efforts that successfully removed some state representatives including State Senate Majority Leader Mary Panzer and State Assistant Senate Majority Leader Mary Lazich and a number of school and county officials across the state. The group, led by Milwaukee businessman Chris Kliesmet and former iron worker Orville Seymer, has focused on expanding across the state in the last couple of years adding local chapters, including a La Crosse chapter in September of 2006.

In separate phone interviews, Seymer and Kliesmet said they became involved in investigating Vernon County government when they were contacted by local citizens concerned that some county board members were working behind the scenes on the hog moratorium issue. The two said they often work with local citizens to provide technical assistance on how to ask for information.

"Navigating government can be difficult and many people don't know what to do," Kliesmet said. "We try to provide dispassionate procedural and statutory advice. We only get involved if there is viable group of local constituents, we aren't going to get involved with the business of another county unless there is someone there asking for our help."

One of the first FOIA requests was sent on Oct.1 to supervisor Maynard Cox. Cox has a son who worked for the owners of the proposed the confinement hog production operation, Jeff and Bonnie Parr. Seymer said he then sent another request to all 29 supervisors asking for any correspondence including emails (including deleted) that pertain to the confinement hog facility.

An initial response from Vernon County Corporation Counsel Greg Lunde on Oct. 3 said that Cox does not have access to a county email address and any such records that would exist would be on a personal email account and therefore would not be subject to open records law. Another letter from Seymer includes state statutes and Wisconsin Freedom of Information Council documents stating county supervisor emails are subject to open records even if stored on a personal computer.

A later response by Lunde said the county is coordinating the response for the 29 supervisors and will comply with the request, including personal emails. Lunde said in the letter that the cost for the county to undertake the search would be considerable, since it involves searching hard drives for deleted emails. Those costs would have to be paid before the records would be released. In a later interview, Lunde said that cost is estimated at about $3,500.

Lunde said the county has some records that were easy to compile, but will not move ahead with any additional searches, like those done on computer hard drives, unless that cost is paid.

Seymer said that it is legal for units of government to require payment for such information if it can be shown it is a legitimate expense and not done to intentionally limit access to such records. Seymer gave no indication if CRG or local citizens would be willing to pay for the records or where the money would come from if they did.

Seymer was critical of the handling of county records by county supervisors. In two of the letters, Seymer references a phone conversation between himself and supervisor Ralph Hicks in which he claims Hicks told him he "burns all of his records each week in the burning barrel behind his house." Seymer said in the letter to Lunde and a separate letter to Hicks that such actions are a clear violation of open records law and each supervisor is the custodian of their records pertaining to county business, even if stored at their home. Seymer asks that supervisors be "held accountable" for such actions.

Seymer also questioned that if each supervisor is the custodian of their own records why has "corporation counsel has taken it upon himself to assemble these records?"

Lunde said he has coordinated the effort to assemble the records and has had the assistance of another attorney provided by the county's insurance company.

When asked what specifically CRG or local concerned citizens were looking for in the requests, Seymer said the requests were initially intended to look for "any collusion between county board members and Jeff Parr." But Seymer said the information could lead anywhere.

"Normally what happens is it (the information) leads to more questions," said Seymer. "The county board seemed to ram this through pretty quickly even though the majority of the people did not want this."

Information provided by CRG shows it sent open records requests to the DNR offices in La Crosse and Black River Falls, the Vernon County custodian of records and State Senator Dan Kapanke's (R-La Crosse) office. The request to the DNR offices asks for "Any correspondence to or from Jeff Parr, Parr Farms, Parr's Septic Service or Jeanne Dubord, regarding any hog farms in Vernon County."

Dubord is a neighbor of the Parr's and was an outspoken critic of their hog operation proposal. There is no indication of responses from the DNR offices, but Senator Kapanke's office sent a return letter to CRG stating they had no such records.

Cox said Vernon County is working to comply with all of the CRG’s legal requests.

“As far as I’m concerned they have a right to do this and as a public official I have a responsibility to comply with their requests,” Cox said. “And I did so.”
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liberal = liberty wrote on Dec 10, 2007 11:06 AM:

" I'm so tired of the word liberal being a dirty word. Liberal is a person who believes in liberty and freedom. The communist party of the 1920s stole the name and the modern day neo-con republicans have used it to great effect. Now fascists (A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation - sounds like the current administration, e.g. neo-con republican) call the democrats "liberals" (really, democrats are socialists, e.g.: a theory of government or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means or production, capital, land in a strong central government). Seem similar? You bet they are. A vote for a democrat/"liberal" is a vote against freedom. A vote for a republican/"conservative" is a vote against freedom. A vote for a true liberal is a vote FOR freedom. So many people are so brainwashed. We argue with each other while those in our government hide the truth from us, they lie to us, they steal from us, and they laugh at us for our petty bickering. Remember: No government is good government! "

I love wrote on Dec 7, 2007 6:51 AM:

" My country, my state, my county! You all cry about wal-mart and everything else, I would love to check your homes and see where all your stuff comes from. Also Lets check everyone involved in briging the "BIKE TRAIL" vote back. I bet there was e-mail and calls going on that should not have been. If a liberal does not have a cause they will lie and make one up! "

nothing much wrote on Dec 6, 2007 11:48 PM:

" Democracy is in no way an acronym. D-E-M-C-R-A-C-Y, is perhaps a better way to put it... "

Ridgetop Oldie wrote on Dec 6, 2007 4:25 PM:

" If you ever met the Citizens for Responsible Government people and read about their campaigns over in the Wicked East of Wisconsin you would know that they are usually pretty darn conservative people. They do have their own agenda and that seems to be getting government decisions out in the open and going back to the Old American Way. I would never label them as liberals, nor as anti-farming, by any means. "

Born and Raised Local wrote on Dec 5, 2007 12:47 PM:

" Relax, quit hating, and join the 21st century. Everybody knows the county board, city councils, etc., have been a good old boy network, which have proceeded without questioning in the past. Welcome to the real world. "

Re: Re; Re bull wrote on Dec 5, 2007 11:21 AM:

" I'm not a commie, not a socialist, and not a fascist. I happen to believe in liberty and freedom. I also happen to believe that the government of this country has been taking away our freedom and liberty since the 1920s. Now, we have a government that spys on us, steals our income, can stop and search us without probable cause, can arrest us and jail us without a lawyer or a trial and torture us. I'm not from russia. I've never been to russia. I don't really care to go to russia. I have enough to worry about living in a fascist country that has taken away my liberty. I don't shop at wal-mart because if I did, I would be a hypocrit when I complain that cheap chinese products are ruining this country and putting my neighbors out of work. I shop lots of places; usually it depends on what I need to purchase. Wherever it is I shop, I make sure that what I buy is made in america, even if I have to pay more. If I can't afford to pay more, I hope I can get by without it until I can afford it. Good to hear you have a chevy: I'll bet you're proud that it's made in the usa. I wish you'd have more pride in yourself and your fellow citizens and not buy cheap chinese garbage and realize that you're an unwitting slave to the government. Try having a reasonable conversation without resorting to name calling. Otherwise, I really don't care one little bit what you think, because the opinion of an ignoramus is worthless. "

Re; Re bull wrote on Dec 4, 2007 11:15 AM:

" Go back to Russia you commi pinko!! I drive Chevy! And I love Wal-Mart. Where do you shop! "

RE: Bull @%*$ wrote on Dec 3, 2007 4:29 PM:

" I bet those fancy pants folks from out east drive foreign cars, too! Not like that big Dodge truck you drive...oh wait, dodge is owned by a german company. You dirty little so and so...how dare you drive a foreign truck in my county. And by the way, how much garbage that's made in china do you buy at walmart? If you shop at walmart, all of it! How dare you not support hard working americans. I drive past walmart and shake my head at all the idiots buying that cheap chinese made crap, driving your foreign owned "american" cars, putting your neighbors out of work, shooting yourself in the foot. So sad how ignorant some of you are. Lucky for me, you won't last much longer in my county. "

V.O.R. wrote on Nov 29, 2007 2:33 PM:

" very well said 1:24 PM. well said. "

Liberty and Justice for All wrote on Nov 29, 2007 11:43 AM:

" Whatever way you lean on any of the issues in the county, it's good for everyone here that if there is room for growth in working toward better practices in managing the county, that steps be taken in that direction. That's not a knock on the board, because I know each of them works hard in an often thankless position trying to represent their consituents and the counties best interest. We each have room for growth, myself included. The reality is that this is a great place to live in spite of our differences in opinion on some of these issues. In fact, some of our divergent viewpoints actually strengthen the county and bond us closer together in the long run. I see the board members as women and men of integrity that work hard in what they do and if there is room for improvement in the process this will become apparent. "

How about the bike trail? wrote on Nov 29, 2007 8:17 AM:

" I would like to see someone look into some of the board members and county employees that somehow railroaded that item through. You better toss your computers because i bet there is some illeagal stuff going on there. "

Tax Justice wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:15 PM:

" Every citizen has the "right to know". It's called D.E.M.O.C.R.A.C.Y Open meeting laws are perhaps one of the only checks and balances (besides voting people out of office) that citizens have. Those who support hog farms have every right to do so...legally. That is the basic issue being discussed. Was the law violated in order to sanction hog confinement facilities in Vernon County. Practice Democracy or live in tyranny. "

Happy Holidays wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:16 PM:

" No need to feel threatend if everything was done above board. If nothing else this might make the board more accountable as stewards for the county. Burning county records in a trash barrel doesn't exactly represent the epitome of "modern living" nor is it even legal. Transparency in office is good for everyone, unless of course you prefer more bush and fewer trees. Best wishes for a joy filled holiday season. "

would like to know more wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:31 PM:

" Could somebody please post the phone numbers for CRG? Id like to know more. "

Bull @%*$ wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:24 PM:

" The majority don/t want it? I love these fancy pants Jerks from the East side of the state who think they are so cool. Also who is the idiot that called these people. You cry and cry give me a break. I would like to see 50 more hog farms come in so you cry babies leave. I can take the smell of the pigs over the stench of your hidden agendas and goofy out of date lifestyles. Now fill in your big words and your liberal rants. The storm is brewing!!!! Remember everyone. Don't be afraid to stand up to these people. They will lie cheat and do what every they can to undermind true farming and modern living. Don't worry they do not vaccinate their kids or animals, as history proves they will be gone eventually. "


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