Re: Into the Valley just South. wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:24 AM: wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:23 PM:
" Maybe this flood came, just at this time, for a reason, purpose and a wake up call. If this kind of destruction and damage, doesn't make some people think about what kind of disaster could have taken take place, with a bunch of hog confinement farms in the area, there's no hope. I know of one family, who's well is pumping mud, now... think of what it would be, if there was one of these farms nearby and the cement pit broke. What would their well be pumping then?
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Into the Valley just South. wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:24 AM:
" Re: In to the Valley just South wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:24 AM:
" The storage pit will be concrete and the building will cover it. I wonder what a nine inch rain does to most cities sewage systems? I would worry more about streambanks and ditches from all sources than injected manure. "
RE wrote this.
OMG,, What was I thinking? There would be no way that even though a storage tank was cement it couldn't wash away now could it? This past weekend has shown us that ANYTHING is possible and I"m glad it's now instead of this time next year! It's one thing dealing with trees, brush and silt all over in the Valley just South and in my basement but what would I be thinking if I lived in a small town such as Gays Mills and an operation like this came flowing through the town right now. It would be bigger news than the flood. I can see the headlines now. Flooding waters recede but stink stays forever.
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jb wrote on Aug 20, 2007 12:24 PM:
" "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."Margaret Mead "
When two or three, shall come together in agreement......... wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:58 PM:
" "May all those, who are so happy and pleased to have a large, hog confinement farm, coming to Vernon County, be blessed in their lifetime, surrounded in abundance, by close, large, hog confinement farms; may you continually and daily, be forever reminded of their presence in your life; may you be filled with peace, joy, and the satisfaction of knowing, what you wanted, came to pass, and may you learn to adapt, to any and all changes in your lifestyle, which may come from living a life, surrounded by confinement hog farms."
Amen and Amen. "
Re: In to the Valley just South wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:24 AM:
" The storage pit will be concrete and the building will cover it. I wonder what a nine inch rain does to most cities sewage systems?
I would worry more about streambanks and ditches from all sources than injected manure. "
Into the Valley just South. wrote on Aug 15, 2007 11:46 AM:
" The last line in the article says it all.
####Wehler said there are already 30 farms in the state the same size as the one proposed and there are no known health effects from those operations.###
This may be true. Apparently this is the way of America so why should we be alarmed? We are in a habit of "Fixing things after we figure out they are Broken. (So be it, the vote is done) At least this isn't going to be like using asbestos for insulation(that was supposed to be safe with no known health effects at the time either) The most this will do is ruin the water supply for a few nieghbors and a few natural resources for those that are a little further away. Especially for those that live to the south in the drainage area that the manure is spread. "NO ONE" can say it won't happen! That decision is up to Mother Nature if and when she decides to dump 9 inches of rain in the area that has either been injected with manure or has it spread on top of the ground. OR better yet, dump it in the area that has the storage pit that was already just about full at the time and send it overflowing Into the Valley just South.
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rethink your voting or recalling wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:41 AM:
" The home work was done, and brought to the meeting. You idiots are talking recall on those that voted for it. Those that were against it did not bring enough information to the vote, to swing it the other way. I would say that those against it didn't work hard enough. They are the people you should be pointing at to leave. The others, the ones that voted for, you may not like the outcome, but they worked the hardest for it. Next time there is a BIG issue on the line I want the people that do their home work. "
name poster wrote on Aug 15, 2007 8:30 AM:
" How about you? Where is your name? Then when your farmer neighbors see you ripping on farming maybe they won't be so laid back about hunting land, borrowing tools, plowing snow or anything else a farmer can help with. Maybe you are self sufficient and do not need help ever. Nevertheless, I'm sure farmers don't want a bullseye on their back as someone to watch. Yes, I've been there. "
Matt Johnson-editor wrote on Aug 14, 2007 7:21 PM:
" Hello bloggers:
It has come to our attention that someone misrepresented another person in a blog entry in this chain of blog responses. It is the first time this has been brought to our attention. Subsequently a number of blog entries have been edited or deleted. While posters can remain anonymous, our blog system can track and identify from where each blog post originates. We are going to turn over some information to the person misidentified, so they can pursue the matter if they wish. While making off-the-cuff remarks is normal for blog postings, misidentifying yourself as someone else and then setting them up for negative blogging is not only rude, but does have repercussions. Please try to keep your blogs within the bounds of good taste. If you have any questions, phone me at the Broadcaster at 637-5612. "
To: To Posting Names wrote on Aug 14, 2007 2:42 PM:
" I don't think I noticed your name at the end of your post. John Doe "
To "posting names" wrote on Aug 14, 2007 2:12 PM:
" This is the exact response I expected. Thank you for proving my point! "
To: To Immaturity and Callousness posted on Aug. 10 wrote on Aug 14, 2007 12:48 PM:
" I would have to ask what you mean by "good, then part of the goal was achieved." What in particular do you mean, pitting neighbor against neighbor, watching an agenda become so important to a few that they were willing to break the law, "winning" the opportunity to ruin this county, or making good people move out of Vernon County? You care to specify what you meant, or do you mean all of these? Maybe you won't have time to respond because you're too busy being cruel. Maybe you should take that time and write Thank-You's to the National Pork Industry who were here to push their agenda but don't have to live with the consequences. Although there are certain aspects of Vernon County that we will miss, I can't say we will miss the "spirit" of certain people who seem to thoroughly enjoy being arrogant, selfish and mean-spirited. It has totally changed the way that we feel about living in this community. Life is just too short. "
to "Posting Names" wrote on Aug 14, 2007 12:33 PM:
" It comes as no surprise that those who are willing to risk poisoning the water and land don't want to own up to their responsibility in this. You're willing to ruin the land, but you don't want to give your name? How cowardly. Make no mistake, those who do the damage and allow that damage to be done, will be the ones that pay the price when lawsuits start flying. "
Phil osifer tax breaks wrote on Aug 14, 2007 8:44 AM:
" The Use Value Assessment is what you are refering to (i.e. tax break on ag land for farmers). Yes, since the commodity prices are higher, the value of the land is higher and subsequently the taxes will be higher on ag land this year. "
posting names wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:48 PM:
" Are you kidding me? Subjective myself and my family to all the lies and allegations of poisoning the water, getting rich at the expense of my neighbors health and all the other misinformation? No you'll just have to wait until I apply, then at least you won't have had ample time to start your lies. "
Matt Johnson wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:29 PM:
" Thank you for clearing that up Greg. We planned to include that in our follow-up story this week. The tone of some of these comments is unfortunate, but certainly reflect how people have been affected by this issue on both sides. There will be more news on this issue in the coming weeks and we will include it in the Broadcaster. "
Greg Lunde wrote on Aug 13, 2007 7:42 PM:
" The question has been posted as to why Supervisors Cox and Yttri were allowed to vote and I hope to try to clarify this. My job is to advise any supervisor that may have a conflict of that fact, inform them as to why there may be a conflict, offer them options to get further information and finally advise them as to the potential penalty if they violate 19.59. All of this was done. Mr. Cox asked to get an opinion from the Wisconsin Counties Assn. and Mr Yttri or his attorney went to the State Ethics Board. There were phone conferences between the Ethics Board, the WCA, and myself. As a result of those conferences opinions were offered to each supervisor. The ultimate decision on whether or not to vote lies with the supervisor, no one can prohibit them from voting. If they vote in violation of the law they alone are subject to the penalty. In this case both supervisors received opinions which indicated that they did not have a conflict and as a result they both voted as recorded. "
Phil Osifer wrote on Aug 13, 2007 5:17 PM:
" I am weighing in again, before all you "libs" get bound up in your shorts just think for a minute. It's a novel concept. Gov Doyle wants a excess profit tax on the oil companies. Well what about farms, currently food price are going higher every week and corn is at an all tiem high $3.30/bushel. Now how many acres does this guy have and is he going to raise corn? My quess would be he will raise more corn thatn necessary to feed the hogs. So between the hogs and the corn just raise his taxes. The tax on farm land that was changed a couple of years back to give farmers a break should be changed anyway as now the farmers are going to make windfall profits just the same as the big oil people. Just think this thru before you react again. "
Re: To: A concerned neighbor (from Matt Urch) wrote on Aug 13, 2007 1:54 PM:
" I've been called out by name by an anonymous poster, so I suppose I should respond.
It is true that I have been very vocal on this issue. The failure of the moratorium is not going to change that. Every citizen, whether a farmer or not, has a stake in agricultural policy, and should use their voice to speak up on it. I am not a newcomer to farm policy fights.
Much has been made recently of the difference between "part-time" and "full-time" farmers. The anonymous poster stated that I am a teacher and my wife works part-time as an RN. That's true. I have made it clear to every media outlet that I have spoken with that I farm part-time. Like nearly 60% of all farmers, I work off farm. Does that mean that we should not have a voice in an issue that affects all the people of this county?
I have been accused of taking government money to start my beef herd. It is true that I have participated in the EQIP program through NRCS. They cost-shared the reshaping of a gully on my land that was caused by runoff from a neighboring crop farm. They have also provided technical assistance and about $2500 (total) in cost share money so that I could fence off 40 acres of pasture and keep the land in pasture. Would I be more virtous if I rented my land out to a corn-soybean farmer so that they could collect subsidy payments? I believe my style of farming will save more topsoil and provide more habitat for grassland birds.
As we build our farm up, I'm hoping that I can transition to full-time farming. I will continue to lobby for a farm economy where my two boys can have the opportunity to farm if that is their calling. I believe that I have more in common with the independent family dairy farmer than either of us have to do with contract hog finishing. I am sure that the vast majority of people would rather live next to my type of livestock operation than next to a hog confinement facility.
I supported the moratorium because I believe that industrial hog production has all but driven the independent family farmer to extinction while making its profits off of our common air, water, and soil resources.
I have spoken with hundreds of people about the moratorium this summer. It is not an issue of "newcomers" vs. "farmers". I know fourth generation family farmers that have signed the petition and I know of people who have lived here far less time than myself who do not farm who did not support the moratorium. The hateful radio commerical sponsored by Ag Consulting of Liberty Pole on WVRQ is clearly off-base.
I wasn't paid a penny for the many hours of work I put in this summer and I'd do it all over again. I'm always willing to speak with anyone with differing opinions as long as they identify themselves.
Matt Urch "
RE: Cafo 11:55 August 12 wrote on Aug 13, 2007 1:15 PM:
" I find it ironic that not one supporter of this farm is willing to put a name with their supposed support of this farm since this post. Be a good neighbor tell us what you think? Again I am sure your neighbors would like to know, who the next pig farmer will be.
My impression is the County Board got caught between what the majority of the people wanted(a health study) and what they legally could fight. This is just one landowners opinion. It is a sad day for the Parr's neighbors. Good post Cafo 11:55 August 12 "
Facts? wrote on Aug 13, 2007 10:59 AM:
" Yes- that was the intent of the ordinance - to go after the guy with 10 cows ... I am sure that is what the county was trying to do ... stop out all of those 10 cow farmers out there. Please ... you would only fall under the slightly tighter resrtictions if you fall in the 500 - 1000 animal unit range.And if the county board wanted to make that more clear it would be easy - speak up and say - lets amend this so it is very very clear what a 20 a percent expansion means. "
To: EPA wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:32 AM:
" Wow all that Hard work to Cut and Past 3 documents you must be Tired "
animal units wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:21 AM:
" I want to build a barn to house 1000 wean to finish hogs. Will there be opposition to this? I will be under 500 animal units. "
To: Facts? wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:13 AM:
" Your statement about 20% is exactly where the problem lies. The ordinance can be interpreted that if you have 10 cows and expand by 20% you will need a permit. "
Facts? wrote on Aug 12, 2007 10:21 PM:
" The ordinance passed will impact a MAXIMUM of 3 percent of farms - and of those only the ones that will build for over 500 animal units or more - or farms expanding by 20 percent of their animal units - not acres - or buildings. It is based on ANIMAL UNITS. and very few farms would fall in the category covered. And if they do - they will not have to "get rid of their animals" as was misstated by county board members - they will simply fall under slightly more regulation regarding setbacks and construction restrictions - thats it. Not a big deal. What will happen now that the county board has left the door open is you will see whole bunch of farms putting their application in for some kind of permit so they can say the are "started" and will then be grandfathered. The vote was not about one barn - it is about all the barns that will follow to get in under the wire of land use planning and any regulation. It will happen and you wont be able to stop it now that it has started. "
TO: Still waiting wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:28 PM: wrote on Aug 12, 2007 9:35 PM:
" If it hasn't already, I'm sure it isn't going to be long, until this matter is brought to the attention of the State Elections Board. However, Greg Lunde wasn't the name of the attorney who gave Maynard Cox the go ahead to vote, according to a person I talked with, today... Maybe he's just the fall guy.
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To: RE CAFO wrote on Aug 12, 2007 9:18 PM:
" I don't think you are thinking clearly. A huge percent of the opposition to CAFO's don't even live on farms. Therefore, I believe that a huge number that approve of CAFO's may never intend to own one. The supporters of CAFO's can see that the ordinance as presented to the county board was not a good thing for anyone. Read the part about 20%. A good lawyer can interpret that to mean 20% of 1 au. Therefore, it would affect every single farmer in Vernon County. It would also carry a $1000 price tag along with it. I hope the Pro-moratorium gang is happy with what they got voted in by the ordinance passing. We will all pay the price now. "
To: Cafo's wrote on Aug 12, 2007 3:16 PM:
" You're right! The Parrs did NOT propose a CAFO, but stayed just under the wire, and by doing that, they will be under even LESS scrutiny by the State. Some of us might have been born at night, but we certainly weren't born LAST night! "
RE: CAFO wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:55 AM:
" I challenge all the supporters of this farm to type your names in on this forum. It will allow neighborhoods to recognize who/where the next farm could go in!!! I think people will be shocked. It will be great for the neighborhood's of Vernon County to see who supports this. "
Cafo's wrote on Aug 12, 2007 10:18 AM:
" The Parr proposal is not a CAFO. You are using scare tactics, not facts. Comparing NC hog production or even Iowa is not being objective. Do not let emotion cloud your judgement. "
TO: Still waiting wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:28 PM:
" Why wait? Contact the State Elections Board with your questions -- sounds like maybe misconduct in office or possibly a fine of $1000. Read Wisconsin State Statute 19.59. "
To: Still Waiting..... wrote on Aug 11, 2007 6:10 PM:
" It was Not Greg Lunde's Job to tell Maynard Cox and Ole Yttri that they could not vote, Actually it was against the Law. Mr Lunde better be looking for new Employment somewhere else. "
Still Waiting..... wrote on Aug 11, 2007 1:42 PM:
" We're still waiting to hear Greg Lundes' justification, for letting Maynard Cox and Mr. Yttri, vote on August 7th... "
To: knowledge is power and citizen oynkb wrote on Aug 11, 2007 12:17 PM:
" If you expect to be looked upon as credible at all you should educate yourselves and quit using he said she said! Someone said Jeff said blah blah blah?? and needles still in the meat??? You need to ask any board member, well, there might be a few who don't know how antibiotics are administered to chickens and hogs!! "
TO: TO KNOWLEDGE IS POWER wrote on Aug 11, 2007 11:19 AM:
" Looks like you are missing all the information the poster is giving you. You are just looking for nit-picking. Isn't anybody listening? Too many have ears but do not hear, too many have eyes but do not see. Wake up before it is too late. "
To: EPA wrote on Aug 11, 2007 11:08 AM:
" Your fingers must be numb after all that typing on all those posts. But, that is what protesters are supposed to do. It is a fact that if you want someone to remember something, you repeat it three times. I think you may be over your limit. At least here in Wisconsin we are smart enough to require nutrient management plans for large operations. In the plans, you must describe how you would handle a manure spill. Therefore, I think you should make sure that NC has the same requirements as Wisconsin before insisting that we are the next NC. "
To: Knowledge is Power wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:44 AM:
" First you say you know the area quite well. Then you say you don't know these people. Which is it? Do you or don't you? "
epa article number two wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:09 AM:
" NORTH CAROLINA HOG FARM AGREES TO COMPLY WITH EMERGENCY ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER ISSUED BY THE EPA
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that Barefoot Farms, Inc., a large hog farm located in Four Oaks, Johnson County, North Carolina, is cooperating with an Emergency Administrative Order issued to it last week.
The order was issued by EPA, in accordance with Section 1431 of the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA), to address nitrate contamination of the private wells of two adjacent residences. The contamination may present an imminent and substantial threat to human health and the environment. Nitrate contamination in the ground water at the facility and vicinity will continue to threaten human health until the source of contamination is removed and the site is remediated or until a permanent alternative source of water is provided.
The order requires Barefoot Farms, Inc. to: provide alternate water to residences with contaminated wells immediately; conduct additional sampling of nearby wells to determine potential impacts from the facility (extent of plume, other contaminated wells) and provide a long term permanent remedy, as appropriate.
Barefoot Farms, Inc. is located on Highway 701 South in Four Oaks on approximately 10 acres. The swine facility has been operating since at least 1993 and was incorporated under the current owner in 1996. During this time, the facility has operated a waste lagoon and spray irrigation disposal system for the purpose of disposal of wastes generated by swine.
Drinking water with high concentrations of nitrates can cause serious illness and death in infants under six months of age from a condition known as "blue baby syndrome." For adults and children, too much nitrate reduces the capacity of blood to carry oxygen, turning skin blue, causing shortness of breath, and depriving the brain of oxygen, which impairs metabolism, thinking and other bodily functions. These symptoms can develop rapidly in infants.
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epa article number two wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:08 AM:
" Should I keep going????????????? "
EPA article number One wrote on Aug 11, 2007 9:57 AM:
" There are thousands of articles out on Hogs and contamination:
North Carolina
08 November 2001 :
N.C Hog Farm Agrees to Comply With EPA Emergency Administrative Order
ATLANTA - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that Tommy Naylor Farm (Farm), a hog farm in Newton Grove, Sampson County, North Carolina, is cooperating with an Emergency Administrative Order (Order) issued by the Agency.
The Tommy Naylor Farm consists of two swine facilities (Farm no. 1 and no. 2) located at 12785 U.S. Highway 421 in Newton Grove. Together, the two farms occupy approximately 160 acres. The Order pertains only to Farm no. 2, which consists of approximately 1,225 hogs.
The Order, issued in accordance with Section 1431 of the Safe Drinking, addresses nitrate contamination in the underground source of drinking water underlying the Farm, which has resulted in the contamination of private water wells. The contamination may present an imminent and substantial threat to human health and the environment. Nitrate contamination in the groundwater at the facility and vicinity will continue to threaten human health until the source of contamination is removed and the site is remediated or until a permanent alternative source of drinking water is provided.
The Order requires Tommy Naylor Farm to: provide alternate water to residences with contaminated wells; conduct additional sampling of three private wells on a quarterly basis; and propose a plan for an alternate permanent remedy.
Due to documented groundwater standard violations in the private drinking water supply wells adjacent to Farm no. 2, the State of North Carolina has required Tommy Naylor Farm to install six monitoring wells at Farm no. 1 and no. 2. The wells are required to be sampled three times a year to help determine the extent of contamination.
Drinking water with high concentrations of nitrates can cause serious illness and death in infants under six months of age from a condition known as "blue baby syndrome." For adults and children, too much nitrate reduces the capacity of blood to carry oxygen, turning the skin blue, causing shortness of breath, and depriving the brain of oxygen, which impairs metabolism, and other bodily functions. These symptoms can develop rapidly in infants.
Source: Business Wire - November 2001
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who is really local? wrote on Aug 10, 2007 4:40 PM:
" Hey "locals" who want the hog farm. Many of you feel that "outsiders", those who haven't been here their whole life, where the ones opposed to the hog farm or hippies, etc. First of all, you're wrong, many Vernon County born and bred are opposed to this thing. Secondly, who the heck is local? If you want all "outsiders" to go, then you should pack your bags, move back to Europe, and give the Kickapoo back to the natives that lived here first. "
for Phil osifer wrote on Aug 10, 2007 3:51 PM:
" The people opposed to the hog farm do not need methane to power their electical use. They have those crazy bicycle contraptions that they pedal to supply all their electrical needs. Hence, the lack of blogging until they eat some granola (tofu doesn't supply enough calories) and regain their strength. If there are a lot of postings, maybe they stored enough energy in some home made batteries. "
to:Immaturity and Callousness wrote on Aug 10, 2007 2:24 PM:
" Good then part of the goal was achived "
Immaturity and Callousness wrote on Aug 10, 2007 2:08 PM:
" I am disheartened by the cavalier attitude and immature comments of those who are so joyful that the moratorium was voted down. You can go ahead and gloat and feel that your "side" won, but I have to tell you, NO ONE will win because of the way this meeting went down, except maybe the national pork producers who don't have to live here. The sad thing is, that those of us who did everything we knew how to do, to protect our families, neighbors and land were totally ignored by those with a very frightening agenda. Personally speaking, my family was looking at farm land to buy here in Vernon County, but will now move elsewhere. We are not going to pour our life's blood and savings into a place to have someone move in next door and make it unsafe for us to stay there. We will instead look for a county, or even a different state if need be, who knows how to have basic safeguards for it's citizens. Some day, you may be the only ones left in this county, because the rest of us who care about the water we drink and the air we breathe, will leave you all to this county to pollute it, sanctioned by those who voted the moratorium down. I can't help but remember a common saying, which is, "You made your bed, now lie in it." Hope you are all very proud of yourselves. "
To: Retreat wrote on Aug 10, 2007 11:44 AM:
" Ha Ha - There is NOTHING funny about your comment.... obviously you have nothing better to do than to make fun of very serious situation and the community of Retreat. If you can't post something constructive, then don't post at all. "
Retreat wrote on Aug 10, 2007 11:02 AM:
" Thats funny, Retreat is downhill and the pig poop is headed their way. Looks like they have their town named ahead of time. "
owner wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:58 AM:
" Of course it doesn't make it right. That's my point, treat all discharges alike. If its a large hog farm, small dairy, or city. Treat them all the same. Where will the manure go? On land whose OWNWERS want it. Some farmland owners may want it, others not. To imply that the manure will be spread everywhere and on land that an owner has not given consent to is irresponsible. "
to XXXXX wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:53 AM:
" Where is the owned 800 acres posted? "
To: XXXXX wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:49 AM:
" With all your research, you should have known that Greg Lunde gave the go ahead for Mr. Cox and Mr. Yittri to vote. With all your knowledge, just how much land do the Parr's own and how much land do they need to own to operate this barn? "
The Sky is Falling wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:40 AM:
" The Sky is Falling. The Sky is Falling "
Re: Owner wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:03 AM:
" If I am not mistaken Retreat is one of the highest points in Vernon County. Kind of ironic I guess as they say "poop does run downhill". Great job county board farming used to be done by trial and error, if something became harmful we quit using it. This is a new era we don't have to learn about harmful effects after the fact this could have been studied and everyone would have felt safe. Not just the "hippies" as some of you put it but the "farmer" like myself too. "
To: owner wrote on Aug 10, 2007 9:50 AM:
" Owner says, " Oh, by the way, when some city along the Mississippi "accidentally" discharges a million, yes, 1,000,000 gallons of waste into the river, the DNR didn't blink an eye. ""
So does that make it right? All the more reason to be concerned about a hog confinement farm. Since the Parrs actually own very little land, who's land is the majority of this manure, going to be put on?
I'm sure adjoining landowners, would like to know. "
owner wrote on Aug 10, 2007 8:24 AM:
" Who said you have to own all the land to spread on? Rental agreement or manure agreements are common. Municipalities do not OWN all the land they spread their sludge on. The sky is not falling. Did anyone ever consider manure an excellant natural fertilizer? Oh, by the way, when some city along the Mississippi "accidentally" discharges a million, yes, 1,000,000 gallons of waste into the river, the DNR didn't blink an eye. "
sally anders wrote on Aug 10, 2007 8:11 AM:
" YES YES!!!!! I was hoping it would go thru !!!so some of you people with your nose so high up in the air inhale deeply and smell the counrty air!!!!!! thank god it went thru!!!!!!!! "
XXXXX wrote on Aug 10, 2007 3:33 AM:
" it is public knowledge and in courthouse records that in Vernon, Richland, and Crawford counties Jeff and Bonnie Parr do not OWN over 800 acres of land as a previous post states. They do RENT, but they do not own. There is a big difference here. WIll the landowners they rented from still be so willing to rent this land to them, knowing Jeff is putting their health at risk by spreading pig poop?
Also, it was stated in black and white that Maynard Cox was going to recuse himself of voting because of his son.....what happened there?!?!?!? "
To Jim Mlsna wrote on Aug 9, 2007 10:28 PM:
" You have a lot of people to thank, Jim. Especially those who overlooked the fact that in October of 2006 4,000 gallons of manure from your farm, Ocooch Dairy, was spilled right next to the West Baraboo River (DNR release, Oct. 2006, it's all there in black and white). Ooops, but take heart, only 800 gallons were thought to have reached the river. What a steward of the land you are, Dr. Mlsna. Please share with us your depth of wisdom on protecting the environment and how everyone who isn't a stand-up guy like yourself is just an 'Factory Environmentalist' idiot. Yes, Dr. Mlsna, we have nothing to fear. All farmers, like yourself, are perfect in every way. Please smile and wave when you look down upon us from your ivory tower. Don't forget to wink and nod at those county board members you have so easily hoodwinked. "
thinking ahead wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:47 PM:
" Those of us who are neighbors to this proposed farm need to protect ourselves by collecting information now. Get a water test, a soil test, an appraisal. Take some pictures of your clothes hanging on the line, your windows open, your picnic table, the views from your porch. If this becomes a smelly reality, we'll have recourse if we can prove a loss. "
Phil osifer wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:05 PM:
" Now here is a positive thought , 2400 hogs generate a lot of , Well you know what , so why not get a pit [covered that is] get some help from the electric company with some engines that run off of methane gas [off the pit that is] and generate electricity for all even the "whinners" How about a litle positive attitude for once. Look at the glass half full instead of half empty "
Jim Mlsna wrote on Aug 9, 2007 8:21 PM:
"
Thanks to the supporters of the moratorium for doing something noone else has ever done in Vernon County-get the homegrown farmers involved in politics. Most of them don`t like crow but the far fetched and close minded opinions on this site might be a recipe.Interesting that those homegrown enviromentalists are mostly working and unable to or too tired to respond to the fear tactics fueled by a severe lack of knowledge and experience. "
Give me a break! wrote on Aug 9, 2007 4:26 PM:
" What about the 300 acre farm next door to the Parr's that has been farmed by the same family for over 40 years? When that family has to buy a house elsewhere to live in (because their farmhouse is 1600 feet downwind of the proposed facility), who is going to foot that bill and pay the taxes? Imagine having a perfectly good house that you can no longer live in. Imagine having to drive to your farmland each day because you can no longer live there. Imagine having farmed all your life and now you have to consider whether it's worth continuing. I think you would all be whistling a different tune if this farm factory was being built next door to you... "
Long Memories wrote on Aug 9, 2007 3:15 PM:
" Why do we need long memories? I just made a copy of how the above voted on this issue, so I don't forget when election time rolls around. It may seem too simple to just use the above issue to decide on who to vote for, however, what could be more important than the lives and health of our families, our air, water, and land? If we don't protect those, we have nothing. Also, when the "chickens come home to roost, as they will and the damage is done, people will also know who to blame and in some cases, I'm sure there will even be legal implications. Apparently indifference, arrogance, and the almighty buck won out over common sense and decency. This time. "
mike dagnon wrote on Aug 9, 2007 3:11 PM:
" disgrceful conduct by board
every one who voted down the moratorium deserves a factory farm next to them. a shameful way to treat your neighbors.
This is where you live! "
To: Long live the rednecks!! wrote on Aug 9, 2007 1:41 PM:
" That is so ludicrous, I edited my response! "
re: No One Is Immune wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:49 AM: wrote on Aug 9, 2007 1:38 PM:
" I can guarantee you, I have no problem, whatsoever, sleeping well, at night, and I don't need medication to do it, either! And, since when, is stating the facts, and telling it like it is, being negative? Sweeping things under the rug, only lasts for so long. Then, it's time to start digging around, and see what is actually hidden under there.
Everyone, who wanted a moratorium can sleep well at night... When the repercussions from the hog farm start showing their ugly head, it won't be on our shoulders. Let the chips fall, where they may... and we all know where that's going to be. "
TO "REDNECK" wrote on Aug 9, 2007 1:27 PM:
" So God gave us the earth to have fun with and do as we please with, what Bible are you reading? Jeremiah 2:7 "I brought you into the fruitful land To eat its fruit and its good things. But you came and defiled My land, And My inheritance you made an abomination"
Not all Rednecks are like you are I hope.
I believe God also said to do unto others as you would have them do unto you -- not do TO others.
Just a thought. "
To: Concerned Neighbor wrote on Aug 9, 2007 1:25 PM:
" -Finacily it's up to Bankers that it is a good Plan
-It's not 2400 units, it's under a 1000 unit barn that will hold 2400 pigs
-And as a Farmer even a year ago when Corn was under $2 Fertilizer was 20% more than it was the year before. It was more this year and I will bet it will cost more next year to, when corn will be back under $2 (right now corn delivered on the farm is $2.72)
-Parrs farm more than 800acres so they easily have enought ground for manure spreading, Which builds Soil Organic matter. "
To: Concerned Neighbor wrote on Aug 9, 2007 12:32 PM:
" "yes fertilizer is need right now with $3.50 corn but will it be needed next year and the year after? "
Do you remember seeing those beautiful fields of corn and soybeans as you drive around Vernon County? What do you think makes them so green, tall, and beautiful? Each crop takes nutrients out of the earth. If we do not replenish them with either manure or commercial fertilizer, you will see knee high, sick colored crops. Corn and beans and alfalfa etc. don't grow year after year after year without replenishing the soil with some kind of fertilizer.
Tourists come to Vernon County to see the beautiful landscape. Thank the crop farmers who have made it beautiful by struggling to produce boutiful crops. Thank the animal farmers for producing fertilizer to replenish the soils to maintain the beauty. Don't condemn them because they chose to do this on a large scale. The large farmers are willing to follow guidelines and regulations. The large farms are audited because they are an easy target. A lot of farms are large because they chose not to go to town to take get a job for insurance. They would rather run another 100 acres to pay for insurance than work 40 hr. per week for someone else. Look at a lot of the small farmers. They have at least one spouse that works off the farm. Matt Urch is a prime example. He has been very vocal throughout this whole process. He is a teacher and his wife is an RN and he got government money to start his beef herd. I wouldn't call them full-time farmers. Just because the large farmer choses to farm 24/7 don't condemn him/her. They are taking good care of the earth and their families are being raised right in the middle of it. "
RE: Long live the rednecks!! wrote on Aug 9, 2007 12:19 PM:
" Is that a direct quote from the Bible?? "
Long live the rednecks!! wrote on Aug 9, 2007 10:38 AM:
" I've lived here forever and this will be a redneck county forever. I could care less about the "air, water, or whatever." As stated in the Bible the earth is here for our fun and taking. As humans we have the right to do what we want to the earth as stated by God. Good work county board, let Vernon County be the hog capital of the United States for all I care. "
Concerned Neighbor wrote on Aug 9, 2007 10:37 AM:
" I live in Sterling township I am a conservative, I grew up on a dairy farm, I don't think that the moritorium was the answer, but I do think that the Parr's don't own enough land to sustain 2400 units. The fact remains the Parr's don't have the resources alone to build this and they don't own enough land to support that is the true problem that exists. Yes fertilizer is need right now with $3.50 corn but will it be needed next year and the year after? "
re: No One Is Immune wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:49 AM:
" Good Lord. How do you sleep at night? Your negativity coupled with your intolerance for others' opinions is astounding!
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re: to (so-called) conservatives wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:47 AM:
" I just scanned the article and the comments. I didn't see any references to 'hippie' or 'pot' except for one comment that was posted AFTER yours. I didn't notice any name-calling. The fact is the 'liberals' and 'progressives' are the ones against this. Yes, maybe a VERY FEW conservatives but not so much. It's funny, simply pointing out someone is liberal gets them so fired up. And then they have the absolute ignorance and arrogance to claim they are the only ones that care about the environment. What a joke. As stated earlier, bunch of alarmists. "
TO: NO ONE IS IMMUNE wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:38 AM:
" I agree with everything you said so well. I also agree with your last statement " I hope you all have long memories." I hope so too, especially on election day in April 2008. "
TO WHAT ABOUT? wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:32 AM:
" Certainly hope so but it is only a few months until the next election -- April -- so it would probably be more productive and less devisive to encourage GOOD candidates to run or run yourself. The above post "The Board" says they voted the way the majority wanted them to. We know that is not the case, there was fear from threats of lawsuits from the BIG BOYS. It's too late for Retreat residents but perhaps a new county board will save the rest of Vernon County. Too many elected positions in Vernon County run unopposed. Get some good candidates for everything, make democracy work. When the pollution and injuries occur the board WILL see the lawsuits but not from the Pork Producers. "
No One Is Immune wrote on Aug 9, 2007 9:14 AM:
" Voting against the moratorium was irresponsible, and those on the county board of supervisors, who voted against it, failed us, miserably. Things have a strange way of working out, though. The people of Vernon County have learned a lot, from all this. We have learned that some of our present, elected representatives, don't actually represent or care, about what the majority of the people in the county want, or what their concerns are. Also, we will be watching to see how those names and faces in the news reports, that have been promoting this, will be profiting from the hog confinement farm. When greed and the almighty dollar, come before consideration of peoples' legitimate concerns, nothing good, ever comes of it, not even if those making the decisions, are threatened by lawsuits. No one, not one person, is immune to the health and environmental effects, of these farms; not even the county board and their families, or even the Parrs' and their famiy. Present and future generations, the county boards' own families and the Parrs, have been done an injustice, by not passing the moratorium.
We've been thrown to the wolves, by those we trusted, people. I hope you all have long memories!
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concerned local resident wrote on Aug 9, 2007 8:59 AM:
" I live outside of Viroqua and I'm not a "hippie", I'm Conservative and grew up on a small farm. I've been reading the comments from here & the LaCrosse trib and I'm very sad about the things people have been writing with the name calling. I personally am for family farms. True family farms. I buy all our food from local family farms organic or non-organic. But I have many reservations about large confined hog farms. I haven't bought pork in many years from grocery stores because of what they have done to Iowa, Missouri & the Carolina's. If you would Google hog farms you will hit page after page after page of articles about what is happening in those states. I feel it is our fault in wanting cheap food- cheap everything. We as Americans need to look around at what is happening to our country, how family farms are disappearing at alarming rates because of big corporations and factory farms. It all comes down to profit and money....not quality for the corporations. I for one will not eat anything that is jammed into a pen it's whole life and fed antibiotics. So I disagree with the Parr's idea of farming. But does that give me the right to stop what they want to do with their land? It's a slippery slope. I'm alarmed at what this could do to the ground water and the air/land. Many articles state these holding tanks with time start to leak even with the best intentions (they are having huge problems w/ this in the Carolina's) and with the manure spreading comes different issues altogether. We think it's just poop, but it's not. All the things given to the animals come out in that poop. Minerals in large quantities, antibiotics that pass thru their system. There are many articles about this also. My fear if the rumors are true, is more hog farms that are coming. That will indeed hurt this County we call home. So I hope now the board will look at this issue with their comprehensive planning and think of what we all want this County to be and become. I think in the long run if more hog farms come this in turn will hurt any small hog operations that are in the county now. Just my 2 cents. My prayers are with all those this farm will truly affect - the Parr's and the neighbors surrounding the hog farm. "
The board wrote on Aug 9, 2007 7:52 AM:
" voted just how the majority wanted them to. Wait till the next election when the ones who voted for it will be voted off. And as for the recall business give me a break. Your so smart then run next time. But then you cant just type and hide not letting anyone know your tru thoughts. "
to (so-called) conservatives wrote on Aug 9, 2007 7:33 AM:
" Why don't you try to make a point without all the silly name-calling. It is divisive and not helpful in the least. Why don't you tell people why you are for huge industrial farm operations, and skip all the "hippy," "liberal," "pot-smoking," etc. references. Too much Rush Limbaugh and Fox News I think. We are losing our ability to discuss issues in a civil manner.
I guess I could have shortened this up by saying, "Please act like adults." "
what about... wrote on Aug 9, 2007 7:29 AM:
" ...a recall. Is anyone talking about it yet? These folks have failed to serve the public interest. Let's make them pay for it. The first notice I see about a public recall discussion...I'm there. "
a reader wrote on Aug 8, 2007 10:49 PM:
" How sad for the neighbors. Roll a stone on someone and it will roll back on you (county board members). "
WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND wrote on Aug 8, 2007 6:48 PM:
" Hope all the venom spewers posting here get a factory hog farm right next to their house. Better yet, one on each side. Poetic justice. "
Board Members Sleeping Well at Night? wrote on Aug 8, 2007 5:49 PM:
" What some of the board did, was succumb to threats. The board members who voted against the moratorium, evidently are more worried about lawsuits, than they are the health, well being and environmental concerns of county residents.
Evidently, some think those things are foolishness, and to have the moratorium voted down, was hilarious. It's pretty sad, there are people who actually think that way.
The people who were in favor of the moratorium, can hold their heads high and sleep well at night, knowing they tried to convince the county board supervisors of the legitimate concerns of a large, confinement hog farm and asking them to take the opportunity they had, to give their concerns, fair consideration. Now, when a child, an elderly person or anyone else comes back from the doctor with a health report, related to the hog farm, I hope the board and all those who were against the short time it would have taken to study this, will be able to sleep well... Maybe they can't now. "
Liberal FantasyLand. Agreed. wrote on Aug 8, 2007 5:22 PM:
" That is dead on. FantasyLand. This crap about the earth, soil, water, air going down the tubes. Bunch of alarmists. "
Mike Koppa wrote on Aug 8, 2007 4:29 PM:
" Anyone who thinks this issue is left vs. right, so-called "ridgers" vs. "townies," or "organic" vs. "conventional" is guilty of not thinking it through. It is about local control and taking care of the land, air, and water so that people will CONTINUE to want to live in Vernon County. We could very easily slide into becoming a community where you either work on a hog farm, at the hog processing plant, or Wal-Mart in 10 years. I hope nobody wants to see that happen. It would be a terrible shame. And if you think any of this is "hilarious," you are, sadly, just another short-sighted American with a computer.
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TO THAT'S HILARIOUS wrote on Aug 8, 2007 4:13 PM:
" Liberals, progressives -- you mean those who care about people and the earth -- hmmm -- then conservatives must be people who don't give a darn about their neighbors, the air or water or even what happens to their own children. Guess I prefer being a liberal. I guess maybe God must be a liberal too.
And you never know, maybe the last laugh hasn't been had yet. "
Come on idiots wrote on Aug 8, 2007 2:47 PM:
" I didn't realize Vernon County was so ignorant. "
Here's a thought... wrote on Aug 8, 2007 2:36 PM:
" He who laughs last, laughs best. "
It IS funny isn't it wrote on Aug 8, 2007 2:13 PM:
" I'm sure there are many cosmic discussions going on in Liberal FantasyLand today, would like to be a mouse in the corner. I'm sure the next 20 posts will be of the "sky is falling" variety. They should pretend they are Dorothy and click their slippers together, we'll see how they like Kansas.. "
That's hilarious wrote on Aug 8, 2007 1:26 PM:
" The local liberals and progressives gotta be fuming. Hilarious "
compromise wrote on Aug 8, 2007 12:22 PM:
" I think the board did its job. No, I do not live in Vernon County, but yes I do own land there. The licensing ordinance is a good approach to look at proposed facilities without completely stopping agriculture. Each new proposal can prove its worth. If a facility cannot meet performance standards it can be denied. "