Former Resident wrote on Apr 17, 2006 8:25 PM:
" I lived in Viroqua for four years and remember th 2004 controversy over Diversity Days. That time was not half as bleak as some of these posts claim it to be.
The fact is, on that night in 2004 when the school board cancelled the event, I was in the audience with several others, on both sides of the issue. I will never forget the reaction of those who supported the program. They were the rude and obnoxious ones who stormed out of the room during the meeting, albeit being led by a Viroqua High School teacher! Perhaps while those teachers in our schools are trying so hard to teach tolerance for those of differing viewpoints and lifestyles, maybe they also should consider teaching some old fashioned respect for those who are in authority, regardless of whether they feel the decisions made are right or wrong. Is that too much to ask?
I was a public school teacher in another state for six years and for the life of me, I cannot fathom how teachers who are committed to teaching state and local curriculums even have the time to delve into such matters as what they term "diversity." Realizing that states have charged their schools with teaching character values, I would acquiesce that some connection could be made with tolerance and diversity. However,as abysmally lacking as our students are in academic preparedness (and statistics prove that), maybe the schools should simply leave character education, including tolerance for diverseness, up to the home, church, synagogue, or mosque. Public schools cannot accomplish that for which they were not intended. And they continue to prove this by the number of shootings, drug abusers, teen un-wed pregnancies, rape, and other maladies that are plaguing them. Character values education was implemented in the late 1980's and the situation in our nation's schools has deteriorated at a rapid clip (incidentally, that can't be blamed on intolerant, bigotted christians. God and his people have been barred from the schools since 1963!) Maybe public educators need to concentrate on academics and let those who are more qualified take on the task of educating our children in character values. "
Greg Dull wrote on Apr 6, 2006 8:16 AM:
" It is a shame to see this going on in Viroqua.I commend those who are trying to sponsor diversity day. "
Lisa wrote on Apr 6, 2006 7:30 AM:
" That makes no sense. All the reasons for having this "diversity day" claim to be to expose people to differences so they can respond in ways deemed appropriate when they leave Viroqua (and diversity day). The assumption being that without this exposure, nobody would have a clue. You are preaching against others. You are just saying that when anyone doesn't follow one line of thought, it is wrong for them to "preach against" somebody. But it is ok in other situations. It would be nice if these "pro-diversity types" would at least attempt honesty. "
Alesha Schandelmeier Zellers wrote on Apr 5, 2006 12:58 PM:
" Lisa,
wrote on April 03, 2006 8:36 AM:
"Aren't you "preaching against" others too?"
I'm not speaking at Diversity Day... that's the difference! "
Kelly Moran wrote on Apr 3, 2006 8:00 PM:
" I graduated in 2005 from Viroqua. I went through this whole ordeal last time Diversity Day was offered. All of you who haven't been to Diversity Day don't even know what it is like. No one "preaches" to us about anything. The speakers just explain how they live from day to day dealing with the stereotypes that are present in today's world. The gay speakers don't push any "gay agenda". I know. I was there. About the Christian speaker, my town is full of Christians. Trust me, we know what the Christian lifestyle entails. I am Christian but I have no problem hearing about how other people live their lives. It makes me very angry to hear everyone talk about something they haven't even experienced. It also bothers me that some people believe that juniors and seniors are not mature enough to handle the truth and make their own decisions. I am very disappointed in my community and embarrassed to see that no one has asked the students how they feel. I thought that we made it clear last time with our walk-outs and protests how we felt. When is my town going to understand? "
Lisa wrote on Apr 3, 2006 8:36 AM:
" Aren't you "preaching against" others too? "
Alesha Schandelmeier Zellers wrote on Mar 31, 2006 10:59 PM:
" "Ex-gays" are totally a negative group... just as Neo-Nazis or the KKK: they all preach against others. "
Lisa wrote on Mar 31, 2006 2:09 PM:
" Why are "ex-gays" considered a negative group? isn't that passing judgement on them? I thought that was the absolute taboo in the pro-diversity world. "
Alesha Schandelmeier Zellers wrote on Mar 30, 2006 1:21 PM:
" Maeve,
I don't agree that this years 'presenters' had their own "personal agendas"... I think we'll just have to live with that.
I'm sure that there's a lot of speakers that could have been added, but it would have to be Diversity Week.
Neo-nazis?... come on, this even is supposed to be about positive examples of other lifestyles and / or cultures. Not negative groups (like 'ex-gay' speakers).
I agree giving our children a solid education with moral values is important. I just don't think that "moral values" are something exclusive to the Conservative Republican Christians.
"
Never had Diversity Day wrote on Mar 29, 2006 10:54 PM:
" When I was growing up, I never had diversity day offered as an option in school. All I had to rely on was my education, upbringing, and respect for others. I was taught to not judge people as a group (stereotype), but to meet the individual first and then develop an opinion on that one person. That one person you meet does not represent an entire group and vice/versa.
If you want to educate our young people about the types of people they will encounter in their travels around our planet and how to deal with them, please also invite the following:
1) a homeless man eating discarded food from a trash can in Hollywood.
2) a wino in Chicago asking for spare change
3) a six year old disabled child selling gum at the Tijuana Border Crossing
4) drug dealers in Atlanta
You want to prepare kids for a future? These are just a few of the different types of people that are in your face and some are possibly dangerous. Protect our students from what can harm them. Not much harm can come from the current list of diversity day reps. "
Maeve Kane wrote on Mar 29, 2006 12:19 PM:
" Alesha, You have it all backwards. It's people with their own personal agendas that are causing damage to the community. Why wasn't a representitive of a nudist colony invited to speak? What about vegetarians or neo-nazis? I am sure that they would all have had a lot to say. Teaching children to accept others and not discriminate against them is one thing. Presenting others' lifestyles as perfectly normal, no matter what they might be, is wrong! Give our children a solid education with some yes.....don't panic....moral values, and let them make their own decisions when they are out in the real world. That would be something to be proud of. "
Bill Reed III (part time dummy) wrote on Mar 29, 2006 10:17 AM:
" I am blessed with a well developed case of dyslexia which I was not aware of until my son started school. I offer that tidbit not as an excuse but merely as an explanation for the following. I left an r out of corucopia, an r out of diversity, failed to capitilize Mike and so on. Many times when I read over what I write, I read right through my mistakes and uasually recognize them after I have ended up with "egg on my face". Please accept my apology.
Bill Reed III "
John wrote on Mar 29, 2006 8:55 AM:
" So what if Viroqua invited a member of the Nazi Party from WWII who had converted from Judaism? Would this have been accepted? "
Bill Reed III wrote on Mar 28, 2006 7:37 PM:
" This article and it'subsequent comments where sent to me by a local friend for my consumption. After reading some of the initial comments I decided to jump into the fray. I sent a second comment in after reading a comment by ASZ reminding me that it was 2006 and suggesting I stop living in the past. Evidently I was a wee too vitriolic in my response and the editor decided not to post my comment. Being aware of H.L.Menckin's addage that "freedom of the press is limited to those that own them", I will try to be less caustic. Reading the corucopia of minutiae woven into the text of the comments leads me to believe that there is more politically correct self aggrandizing going on in this psudeo Payton Place then there is actual concern over the deletion of the divesity day debacle. From my vantage point in both age and experience I see a lot of anx over a lot of nothing. Many writers are trying so diligently to display how open minded and nondiscriminatory they are that it almost reads like a transcript from a group therapy session where everyone is trying to be the most reformed drunk, addict, wife beater, or whatever anamoly they are proudly overcoming. Some writers have made some excellent points, like mike when he goes into much detail to essentially elucidate the simple fact that if the whole human race were homosexual the specie would cease to exist in one generation. Those people who choose that life syle have every right to do so, exclusive of course of the theologically based arguments against it, which of course is a non-sequitur if the individuals do not ascribe to the tenets of the particular religious sect opposing such activity. Divesity is not always a good thing. It can create animosity as evidenced in some of the posts herin contained. Most people are naturally more comfortable in the presence of others with similar views and appearance. That is natural. I once had a coop occupied by game chickens,African guineas and ducks. They intermingled as the fed or meandered around the pen but at night they roosted with their own kind. They got along fine. Maybe we could learn something from these proverbial bird brains. The test we all must pass is to live and let live without trying to force others to accept or understand our ways. It will all come about naturally with open minds, not minds that are pigeon holed into forced acceptance by facilities that should be nourishing the precious years of youth with the tools that will help children be successful as adults, namely "readin, rytin, and ritmatic". "
R A wrote on Mar 28, 2006 4:12 PM:
" If Kevin Gross and his partner are raising children and will not speak at the event where there is another side, what is he teaching them? Do they have a right to be brought up knowing that there is another life style other than man vs. man? This is what it is all about folks!!! Keep the kids in a traditional family setting please! Our kids are so confused, divorce, gay, single mom, single dad, grandma, grandpa, I would say messed up and getting worse. "
Lisa wrote on Mar 28, 2006 3:14 PM:
" Nice try, John, but people from Viroqua leave it every day. They return because it's where they want to live, where their values and roots are, where they want to raise families, etc. This assumption that rural people need enlightenment from the sort of people who plan "diversity days" is laughable. You cannot impose your worldview on anyone any more than you would accept somebody doing that to you. "
Lori Hanson wrote on Mar 28, 2006 2:02 PM:
" Mr. Tellier, here's what your spelling has to do with diversity day. The whole point of going to school should be to learn the basics. A good education leaves you better prepared to face the world. Good English skills enable you to communicate more effectively in that world -- the world that includes diverse races and cultures. Each of us reflects, to some extent, the education and environment in our upbringing. So what is more critical: holding diversity day or teaching the basics? Diversity day might seem like an enlightening experience, but that doesn't necessarily mean that not holding it shows that Viroqua is a town of bigots. Preparing students to face the world could be achieved by covering the basic education and instilling in them a live of reading. Whole new worlds can be found in books. That's what I learned when I attended Viroqua schools. When I left Viroqua and met white people from cities with more diverse populations, I got my first glimpse of bigotry. So maybe diversity day is not crucial to an open mind. "
john wrote on Mar 28, 2006 9:34 AM:
" showing people the gay lifestyle is showing people diversity. showing people the anti-gay lifestyle is showing people hate. i could see having a heterosexual couple to speak, but not an anti-gay couple. for all you people that say they should be fair and allow anti-gays to speak, they are not the same thing. the true comparison is homo - heterosexual, not homosexual - anti gay. there is no room for hate in our public schools. also, this is diversity day. the norms are white skin, heterosexual. the norms aren't part of diversity. this day is to bring awareness of different lifestyles and races OTHER THAN THE NORMS, not talking to people about things the normal population has been talked about every day of their lives. every day is white, heterosexual day. viroqua citezins live a very sheltered life. what are they going to do once they leave viroqua? "
Former area resident wrote on Mar 27, 2006 5:59 PM:
" There is no such thing as an "ex-gay". There are non-practicing celebate gays, but no one has ever really changed. The entire ex-gay movement is a fraud. That is why we object to these people.
If you want to know the truth about the ex-gay movement, may I suggest reading "Anything but Straight: Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth", by Wayne R. Besen. Harrington Park Press, New York. 2003. "
Alesha Schandelmeier Zellers wrote on Mar 27, 2006 4:12 PM:
" Concerned about child abuse:
If you're so concerned... have the 'balls' to use your real name.
How many gay people do all of you know? I don't know you, but you all sound like totally stereotypical close minded 'small town' residents ~ I have defended this community to many people, but I think that I may have overestimated the acceptance that small towns like this, offer.
A very sad day for me, indeed. "
E.W. Walters wrote on Mar 26, 2006 5:35 PM:
" The problem lies in the fact that not ALL of society has accepted homosexuality as a mainstream or "normal" lifestyle, orientation or whatever you wish to call it. Many, many people find homosexuality repulsive under any name. On the other hand, these same people ARE tolerant in as much as they don't overtly do harm to homosexuals by either thought, word or deed as the old saying goes. They allow homosexuals to live as they wish and only ask for in kind treatment. This is not enough for the radical homosexuals that find safety to push their agenda in our public schools and universities. The case in Viroqua is prima fascia evidence of this. What happened to diversity when the ex-gay was going to speak? The radical homosexuals are the LEAST tolerant group of bigots you will ever meet. ANY slight diversion from their beliefs, morals, lifestyle choice or anything else is immediately met with cries of "HATE" and "HOMOPHOBIA" and any number of visceral charges. If you don't believe me just read some of the comments on this subject.
Most homosexuals just live and let live. They go about their business like all of us. It is this lunatic fringe of radical, in your face activists (usually found in the sanctity of some taxpayer funded employ) that will not be happy until all Heathers have two mommies. "
Micah wrote on Mar 25, 2006 4:28 PM:
" "BTW: I don't think that any of 'you' would want to speak at an even where you would be confronted, at an educational event, with people who outwordly hate you. Today... I am ashamed to live here. ""
I have No problem debating what I believe...if I'm wrong...I want to know! In fact I take classes that put me in situations that challenge who I am...if I can't make it out of the class stronger in my faith after it has been challenged...then I must not have had much faith in my beliefs in the first place.
If someone is not willing to be challenged in their beliefs, well...quite frankly...that's narrowmindedness. "
Jim Holmberg wrote on Mar 25, 2006 1:17 PM:
" Your poll should define what is meant by "diversity days" That is..is the intent of diversity days to promote the gay lifestyle or promote more diversity in our thinking? The "planners" apparently are thinking the promotion of a certan lifestyle as without that viewpoint included it was shut down This same process was used in achieving "support" for our local Smart Growth Plans when survays were sent out to the citizens of our commumities asking if they supported "long range planning" wiihout defining what was meant by "long range planning" "
Concerned about child abuse wrote on Mar 25, 2006 11:41 AM:
" I find Alesha's comments very disturbing about Bob & Kevin Gross and the 'wonderful parents' that they are. Have you looked them up on the court website? I for one will be praying for those adopted children! "
A diverse person wrote on Mar 25, 2006 8:39 AM:
" Do we even really need a diversity days? I mean seriously if we all wanted to learn about Hmongs, Jews, Muslims, American Indians, African Americans, Latinos, Buddhists, homosexuals, the physically disadvantaged and economically disadvantaged people,couldn't we just read a book or do some researching? This way we can hear all sides of the story instead of the narrow dogmatic view of the speakers who want to promote their and only their side of the story. "
Zach wrote on Mar 25, 2006 5:52 AM:
" In reply to Mike (March 22 post): One bad thing about diversity events is that only the very basic information for each cultural group is given. I am sure the various theories behind sexual orientation were never to be discussed or were not discussed in Viroqua high school classrooms. Counselors, parents, siblings, and friends of gay and bi people, as well as gay and bisexuals themselves, know that the learning-based theories of orientation do not explain everything. My personal view is that sexual orientation is a result of a possible combination of genes, a rise in hormonal levels before birth, learning, and most importantly, "critical periods" during childhood and adolescence. Non-straight people do not choose to be that way; in fact, many, if given the chance, would choose to be heterosexual. Gay people tend to know that they are different quite early in childhood and also accept their orientation quite early. Bisexual people sense they are different from their heterosexual peers in pre-adolescence or adolescence but tend not to self-accept their orientation until their mid-twenties or so. Human sexual orientation tends to fall under a range of intensity of sexual attraction, from totally heterosexual to completely homosexual. I don't know why the creator would put people through this (having such a large range of sexual orientation). My guess (and I know I will be attacked here by both sides of this issue) is that at one time, such variety in sexual expression was genetically and behaviorally favored in our ancestors. There are researchers and authors out there who believe, wholeheartedly, that bisexuality is actually the "default" orientation of Homo sapiens, and that an eventual, self-accepted orientation for each person is determined by pyscho-social means, including learning. I too attended and graduated from UWL, but I did not know such things about sexual orientation, or really even included open, non-straght people in my circle of friends or acquaintances until after I graduated and left the Coulee Region. We never had "Diversity Days" in high school and I cannot remember our teachers using much time or effort discussing the topic. Once you and others get out in the world, and see how non-straight co-workers, neighbors, fellow church members and friends are treated by society, you will be shocked. No one deserves to be treated in an inhumane or disrespectful manner. "
Luke wrote on Mar 25, 2006 5:05 AM:
" Viroqua, I still am having a difficult time understanding why in the world you would allow a few nay-sayers to deny juniors and seniors a chance to be exposed to people who are different from themselves. I am hoping that at the very least, high school teachers are incorporating public opinion on this tragedy into their classroom discussions. Perhaps another thing the students might do is to look up and discuss biographical information on famous people who just happened not to have been straight. The homophobes in Viroqua might be surprised just at how much their lives have been improved by gay or bi people. "
Embarrassed wrote on Mar 24, 2006 10:27 PM:
" I am once again embarrassed to say I ever lived in Viroqua. Most of you who are making these judgements should take a long hard look at your own life first. I didn't realize there were so many perfect people around. It's a shame that people can't except others for who they are, whomever they are. Does it really impact your life if someone in your community is black, white, tall, short, fat, thin, gay or straight? I would be much more concerned about the pedophiles, murderers, wife beaters, drug dealers, etc. that live in Vernon County. Get your priorities straight! As far as what to tell your kids?? Tell them the truth - everyone is different and that's what makes this country an exciting place to live. So what if "Uncle Bob" wears a dress - does he beat up "Aunt Sue"; does he smoke dope in the basement and steal from others to feed his habit? The dress seems a lot more innocent to me. "
Lisa wrote on Mar 24, 2006 3:13 PM:
" There seems to be quite a few stereotypes out there about people who are conservative and/or Christian. I know several who are well-traveled, educated, well-read, have much experience with different cultures, have gay friends, wear Birkenstocks, shop at food co-ops, etc. It appears that there is a greater need for understanding differences than I thought, and it's not the neo-cons who need the lessons! "
Julie wrote on Mar 24, 2006 2:42 PM:
" Tony, just to let you know, the Christian view was offered. Isn't it ironic that it is only the homosexual part of this is what is being talked about. No one ever said that the ex-gay and the couple had to be in the same room. The committee just had to allow the other two points of view in seperate break out sessions. The committee was the one who decided to cancel. "
A S Z wrote on Mar 24, 2006 1:38 PM:
" Give me a break! The so called "ex-gay" speaker is just an excuse for the bigots and homophobes in the area to get their POV out there. That's not 'diversity'... that's 'hatred'.
BTW: I don't think that any of 'you' would want to speak at an even where you would be confronted, at an educational event, with people who outwordly hate you.
Today... I am ashamed to live here. "
Mae wrote on Mar 24, 2006 11:51 AM:
" I think the truth about Diversity Day has come out. It has nothing to do with being diverse. It is just another way for the homosexuals to push their agenda. If it were truly about diversity, then the participation of an ex-gay would have been welcomed. "
Alesha Schandelmeier Zellers wrote on Mar 24, 2006 10:35 AM:
" Renee ~ if you bring your children up in a truly diverse environment... they don't really question it. People shouldn't have to "keep it to themselves"... people should be PROUD of who they are! That is the lesson we should be teaching our children!
My son is in school with one of Bob & Kevin Gross' children and he just referred to "his other dad" last week... no question about why he has two dads. I've never made a big deal about people of other colors, faiths, family structures and my children just accept things for what they are.
The main thing: if the parents act like something is "wrong" or "something to be ashamed of"... then the children will, too.
"
John Erlandson wrote on Mar 24, 2006 9:00 AM:
" "Kevin Gross said the pair told the committee they would participate at the event, but not if confronted by the ex-gay speaker in the same room." WOW-I guess this loving "couple" only accepts diversity if it is what they see as "diverse". Typical of the hypocracy of the facist, homosexuals.
"
Hansen v. Ann Arbor Public Schools wrote on Mar 23, 2006 11:27 PM:
" "This case presents the ironic, and unfortunate, paradox of a public high school celebrating 'diversity' by refusing to permit the presentation to students of an 'unwelcomed' viewpoint on the topic of homosexuality and religion, while actively promoting the competing view. This practice of 'one-way diversity,' unsettling in itself, was rendered still more troubling – both constitutionally and ethically – by the fact that the approved viewpoint was, in one manifestation, presented to students as religious doctrine by six clerics (some in full garb) quoting from religious scripture. In its other manifestation, it resulted in the censorship by school administrators of a student's speech about "what diversity means to me," removing that portion of the speech in which the student described the unapproved viewpoint.'' "
Renee wrote on Mar 23, 2006 10:53 PM:
" How do you explain to children why men wear a dress and that it's okay? How do you explain two mommies, or two daddies. Keep it to yourselves so the rest of us can bring up our children the way it was meant to be!! "
Tony Cruz, Jr. wrote on Mar 23, 2006 6:54 PM:
" Pastor Greven got it wrong. The article states: "Planners said they hoped the day would bring students face to face with minorities and those living alternative lifestyles."
Pastor Greven seems to think Diversity Day is about "various views" being presented. Actually, it seems that's what he wanted to make it be about.
It seems clear that the planners wanted people to talk about their lives, not so much their "lifestyles."
The anti-gay ilk is mostly interested in pushing their own agenda to keep gay people in their place. I didn't see mention of any offer to present the "Christian view" of Islam or Buddhism; but, I admit it might be difficult to find an ex-African American.
Bob and Kevin Gross made the right decision. There are some people it will never be worthwhile engaging in conversation. "
a diverse person wrote on Mar 23, 2006 6:35 PM:
" I know that it is not right when a homosexual states that homosexuality is right. Now some may seem that this is bias (by definition bias is favoring one view rather than the other) Now this is quiet true, but you have to realize that homosexuals are being bias, the students who want diversity days are being bias, and everyone else for or against diversity days becasue to bias is to favor one view than the other. The question that is being asked shouldn't be "Who's being bias but "Which bias is the correct bias" "
A Diverse Person wrote on Mar 23, 2006 6:25 PM:
" Homosexuality is a sin. Now, it doesn't mean that "Homophobs" want to kill or assault homosexuals, We just want them to realize what they are doing is a sexual and perverted sin,like a pedophile,beastial, or necropheliac.
We still respect them as a person, its just that we know that what they are doing is wrong and they don't know what they are doing is wrong. "
mike tellier wrote on Mar 23, 2006 3:53 PM:
" Lori Hanson what does my spelling have to do with diversity day? "
Lori Hanson wrote on Mar 23, 2006 2:27 PM:
" I attended Viroqua Middle School in the seventies. In the whole town there was one black family and one black student teacher. Like Mr. Tellier, I was taught to be respectful to others, no matter what they looked like. It's too bad that Mr. Tellier couldn't have spent some of his earlier years in the Viroqua school system. In my day there were excellent English teachers who could have helped him improve his spelling skills; thus improving his ability to communicate effectively. "
A S Z wrote on Mar 23, 2006 10:36 AM:
" B R II ~ Welcome to 2006. We should not be forced to keep our true selves secret! Why should we be ashamed? You are living in the past... come join the rest of the civilized world! "
Hansen v. Ann Arbor Public Schools, wrote on Mar 23, 2006 1:22 AM:
" In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. . . [and] students may not be regarded as closed-circuit recipients of only that which the State chooses to communicate. They may not be confined to the expression of those sentiments that are officially approved.” (quoting from Tinker v. DesMoines Indep. Cmty. Sch. Dist., 393 U.S. 503, 511 (1969)).
The federal civil rights lawsuit filed by the Thomas More Law Center alleged that school officials violated Hansen’s constitutional rights to freedom of speech, free exercise of religion, and the equal protection of the law. Moreover, the lawsuit alleged that school officials coerced students to accept the religious belief that homosexual activity is not immoral or sinful in violation of the constitution.
Judge Rosen held that the Ann Arbor Public Schools and several of its employees violated Hansen’s constitutional rights to freedom of speech and the equal protection of the law. He also concluded that the school officials violated the Establishment Clause by inviting the pro-gay clergy to hold a panel on “Homosexuality and Religion.” Rosen instructed Hansen’s attorneys to file with the court an application for attorneys’ fees, which could cost the Ann Arbor Public Schools up to $100,000. "
Detroit Federal Judge Gerald Rosen wrote on Mar 23, 2006 1:19 AM:
" All of this, of course, raises the question, among others presented here, of what ‘diversity’ means and whether a school may promote one view of ‘diversity’ over another. Even accepting that the term ‘diversity’ has evolved in recent years to mean, at least colloquially, something more than the dictionary definition, the notion of sponsorship of one viewpoint to the exclusion of another hardly seems to further the school’s purported objective of ‘celebrating diversity.’ In this context, it would do well to recall the Supreme Court’s admonition in another school speech case: "
Richard Thompson wrote on Mar 23, 2006 1:16 AM:
" This is a tremendous victory for the First Amendment rights of Christian students and a tremendous defeat for those who consider public schools as their private platform to advance the homosexual agenda. "
Mike Tellier wrote on Mar 22, 2006 11:07 PM:
" I transfered to Viroqua High my senior year and graduated in 2003. It was an off year for diversity day so I guess you would say I didn't get the diversity training I needed to be ready for the University experience and the real world. But even thou I never particaped in your event I am doing fine in the real world and at the Univesity of WI Lax. My church and parents taught me to treat all people with respect inculding: minorites, gays, nonchristians ect... "
mike tellier wrote on Mar 22, 2006 10:56 PM:
" I think the teachers in charge of the event forgot about one little thing (the constitution). The 14th amendment garnatees due process and equal protection. Since this is a state funded government run school all view points must be allowed equal access. I have no problem with diveristy day just let there be true diversity. All viewpoints must be represented for this to be honest diversity. "
for true diversity wrote on Mar 22, 2006 10:22 PM:
" This story demonstrates what a farse "diversity education" really is. Presenting only one side of social and cultural debate amounts to little more than political indoctrination. Diversity also includes the ex-gay community. No one should feel "uncomfortable" around ex-gays. Therefore, ex-gays must be included in any teaching presentation to students to show them what diversity and tolerance mean. Well, if the gay couple didn't want to speak couldn't they find another gay couple and keep the event running? I think it is great that the diversity day was going to have two sides of the gay issue not just one. That is diverse. "
truth wrote on Mar 22, 2006 10:21 PM:
" I find it ironic that part of the motivation for having this event is to prepare students to "be out and about in the world" and prepare them to interact comfortably with people from diverse backgrounds, BUT the scheduled homosexual couple refused to participate alongside the ex-gay because it would make them uncomfortable? That doesn't speak well for their preparation to interact comfortably with people who hold diverse views. "
mike wrote on Mar 22, 2006 10:17 PM:
" so here is the thing. I am not going to beat u up with Bible verses I think we here enough of that already. First off I really don't care what people are doing behind closed doors in there bedrooms. It's really not my thing to pock my nose in peoples business especially there sex life. But I will say this to u gay people out there. Please stop using the argument that u can't stop your actions/feelings. Let me use the argument of evolution no Bible (promise). If you believe that evolution happened and is currently happening how do we explain the human behavior of homosexuality? I mean the gay gene theory doesn't jive with natural selection and survival of the fittest. How could a human sub species like homosexuals survive not being able to reproduce like species? Why would homosexual males posses the ability to produce sperm. The only biological use of sperm is to fertilize a female egg. Your body would have just evolved something useless for the survival of your kind. So because it takes millions of billions of years for species to evolve, the gay gene would not survive. So the only explanation we are left with scientifically is that homosexuals are actually muttons in the evolutionary process or homosexuality is a learned/chosen human behavior. Well history tells us muttons don't live very long. So the last final option it is a learned human behavior, not an uncontrollable instinct of genetic makeup. "
Julie wrote on Mar 22, 2006 7:36 PM:
" No one ever asked that the program be cancelled or asked to not include specific speakers. They only asked to include an ex-homosexual and a Christrian in the break out sessions so true diversity could be accomplished. I have to wonder who is scared of the truth. The only hate speech I have seen has come from those who supposedly want diversity. "
ub wrote on Mar 22, 2006 6:43 PM:
" Here is a link to, and the opening passage from, the Michigan federal-court decision to which Liberty Counsel probably was referring:
This case presents the ironic, and unfortunate, paradox of a public high school celebrating “diversity” by refusing to permit the presentation to students of an “unwelcomed” viewpoint on the topic of homosexuality and religion, while actively promoting the competing view. This practice of “one-way diversity,” unsettling in itself, was rendered still more troubling -- both constitutionally and ethically -- by the fact that the approved viewpoint was, in one manifestation, presented to students as religious doctrine by six clerics (some in full garb) quoting from religious scripture. In its other manifestation, it resulted in the censorship by school administrators of a student’s speech about “what diversity means to me,” removing that portion of the speech in which the student described the unapproved viewpoint.
All of this, of course, raises the question, among others presented here, of what “diversity” means and whether a school may promote one view of “diversity” over another. "
Bill Reed III wrote on Mar 22, 2006 5:43 PM:
" In my view, (probably conceived by many to be too narrow,I hope) there is no place in a school setting for such foolishness. I grew up in a real world where "normal" folks kept their sexual proclivities to themselves, if they had any. Many of the people I grew up with had parents that could barely speak English yet their children,or in common speak,kids, were encouraged to speak and learn English. We had no official documents printed in Italian, Finnish, or Latvian or any other language for that matter and everyone grew up and survived except those of course who were killed in military service to protect the rights of fools to act out or in some cases "act up".
I am not a religious fundamentalist or any sort of religious anything but I can read and write coherently and do the math required to avoid financial difficulty, more so then most of the products of the current dismal teaching industry. Just the 3Rs along with some unrevised history would probably work wonders in helping the next generation achieve what the present one is totally lacking in;
the ability to survive in a competitive world without being grouped as a victim or an advocate. "
John McAdams wrote on Mar 22, 2006 5:27 PM:
" It's terribly ironic that people who claim to believe in "tolerance" and "diversity" are the ones who could not tolerate a Christian or ex-gay perspective being presented to students.
"Tolerance" for some people means enforced political correctness. Not other viewpoints allowed. "
Leslie Lewison wrote on Mar 22, 2006 3:30 PM:
" I think Viroqua students NEED diversity day. As a former VHS student, I grew up with a very narrow view of the world and it took me a lot of time and embarassing mistakes to become more tolerant of those who were different. I wish we'd had diversity day so I didn't make so many stupid sterotypical judgements and offend people who turned out to be my friends. Most of these kids are going to be exposed to people who have different views or ethnic backgrounds and shouldn't schools be a safe place to learn about differences?
As far as being ex-gay, I have several friends who are gay and find the idea preposterous. They'd love to be straight and be accepted by mainstream society but it is not an option. Being gay is who they are and they embrace it the same way I embrace my hazel eyes - they can't be changed. This is something our children need to know, differences are what make us unique and we shouldn't want to change that. "
Matt Vogel wrote on Mar 22, 2006 1:44 PM:
" Yes, I agree with the first comment, it is a shame. Is this a case of the squeaky wheel getting the oil, or is the larger Viroqua area generally discriminatory? I hope the students can see the absurdity of canceling such a program and learn from the ignorance of those living in fear and anxiety. The argument that gay relationships or marriages will “compromise the sanctity of marriage” is completely rooted in fear. Live and let others live, why worry about who people love? By the way, a “former gay” speaker could also be called, a “sexually repressed, still gay speaker”. Sexuality is like eye or skin color, it is part of who we inherently are. Enough research undoubtedly proves this, again why try to change someone and judge who they truly are? If this is a religious issue, please be careful with how you use the bible to advance your political and social agenda. There are many conflicting and absurd concepts in the bible that are conveniently not taken seriously by many bible literalists. Hopefully we can get over the issue of sexual orientation someday, and let it become the non-issue that it is. Thank you. "
Alesha Schandelmeier Zellers wrote on Mar 22, 2006 10:33 AM:
" I find it such a shame that right wing fundamentalists are able to cause this sort of damage to the community. The cancellation of Diversity Day is a detriment to the enlightenment and growth of the next generation. I applaud Bob & Kevin Gross... they are wonderful parents and a great example for all our children! "